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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ding, ding, ding!!!!!! There we go, if only others were this honest.


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    So you were just looking for the horribly partisan answer. Why couldn't it just be some nut job dude? Is everyone who is so emotionally opposed to Islam or the creation of new mosques white? Kinda racist, eh?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    All those white, southern, Christian, racist, sexist, homophobic, islamophobic males that hate Obama, not because of his policies, but because of the color of his skin and because they just aren't smart enough to understand him. That's who.
    what if, just what if, this is the case?

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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by justonemorevoice View Post
    what if, just what if, this is the case?
    Then you think only Americans can be labeled as terrorists! OMG you hate America!
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Some take offence that a rush to judgement was made - it must be racist bigots against Muslims.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Then you think only Americans can be labeled as terrorists! OMG you hate America!
    lol, yeppers. i was just wondering of anyone would have the balls to defend them?

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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Some take offence that a rush to judgement was made - it must be racist bigots against Muslims.
    I think that many people have said that it's possible that it was racist bigots against Muslims. Certainly, that does stand as valid probability. Along with insurance fraud and other likely probabilities. We'll see what the investigation yields.
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

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    Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson - CBS News

    Is anyone truly surprised by this? Sadly, I can say I am not. When you appeal to peoples' baser instincts, someone will feel compelled to act as if they had support to commit this crime.
    I am going to stay out of all the partisan bickering in this. It's stupid in the absence of enough information. I just want to comment on one thing: the only person to blame for this event is the person or people who committed it.
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I don't think folks will be able to hide behind "it was just an accident" or "someone set the fire to claim the property damage insurance" for much longer. The anti-Muslim/Islam hate isn't just confined to the NYC or Murfreesboro, TN ICC's anymore. Read this article from YahooNews.com and you'll see why. To deny it and make any other claim is not only foolish, but absord!
    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This argument doesn't make any sense. "There are a few other isolated instances where people have done illegal or otherwise offensive **** in response to a proposed mosque. That means that it would be absurd to point out that any other incident could possibly be the product of anything other than hatred."
    Well, sure there could be other motives behind these attacks, but none that are reasonable to warrant what's happening out there. We're not talking about someone getting upset 'cause they got cut-off in the parking lot or a proclaimed Christian got mad because some Muslim claimed that Christ was just another prophet or a Rabi. Those are issues thealogians are more equipped to address anyway.

    No, the issue here is hatred with a big dose of fear! This linked article (pulled from within the last article I posted (#47)) goes into further detail on just how out of hand these such incidents have gotten. No one is rightfully debating how American-Muslims feel or if any of them would like to see Sharia Law implimented in this country or if they even believe in it fully. Instead, what I'm starting to see is a push away from the sensativity issue that was originally the basis behind not wanting the ICC near Ground Zero to now being, "We don't want your kind here. Take your Sharia Law back to wherever where you come from." What kind of BS is that? The anger, fear, hatred is wrongfully being directed at American-Muslims - American citizens who have lived, worked, contributed, paid taxes, prayed, worship and been a part of their communities for years - long before 9/11, long before Obama became President.

    I'm all for investing the matter where this arson attempt in TN is concerned and awaiting the facts of the matter, and if the responsible party is ever apprehended you persecute him to fullest extent of the law, but even you - as level headed as they come - can't deny the pattern of hatred brought on by unsubstantiated fear against American-Muslims that has begun to emerge.

    A cab drive is attacked and for what? Because his passenger believed him to be some Muslim extremist/terrorist. Did he talk to the cab driver beforehand? Was the cabbie given a chance to express his views? Did his passenger know for sure that the cabbie was a Muslim WITH extremist views such as those many are now claiming to fear?

    Thirty years of relative peace in the neighborhood and then suddenly someone just happens to set fire to construction equipment that happens to be on the very site where groundbreaking recently took place to build a ICC where residents recently protested against its construction. Coincidence? I don't think so. But we'll let the investigation continue and see what comes of it.

    To think that these attacks are anything other than what they are - vile and filled with hatred toward a group of people who are feared based on their religious ideology is to ignore their basic human and constitutional right to live peacefully under the protection of the law and to worship as they please under the Constitution and in accordance with our county's values. To deny them these rights is criminal. And as we can see, that is exactly what's beginning to happen all across this country....criminal activity against the innocent. This is wrong, people!

    If you're really concerned about what American-Muslims think, what they do, what their political views are, why not just ask them instead of attacking them.
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, this is similar to something that happened in Texas back in the 1960's. A black man was chained, weighted down, and then thrown into a lake. When those who did it were caught they said "We didn't do it. It's just like a nigger. Steal more chains than they can swim with". Your post, seeking to deny the obvious, reminded me of that story.
    Wait wait wait...

    Now I would say the far more likely scenario is someone being an idiot and burning this place for horribly bigoted and wrong reasons.

    However...

    Are you literally so frothing in your desire to cry out RACISM and JIM CROW that you're seriously trying to suggest that people burning down buildings for insurance payouts is as uncommon and unrealistic of a scenario as people stealing chains and then going for a swim?

    REALLY Dana?

    First you godwin the thread and then you throw this out? You're a good debater, why not actually show it rather than emotional hyperbolic crap like this?

    Whoever did this should be found, tried, and punished. Its irresponsible and wrong, no matter the reasons

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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by justonemorevoice View Post
    what if, just what if, this is the case?
    Then, they should go to jail for arson. End of story.

    Or, do you propose that white, Christian, southern males, that are deemed to be racist, homophobic, islamophobic and hate Obama, because he's black, not because he's inacting ****ed up policies and don't understand him, because they're too stupid, should be put into concentration camps?

    No one know what the hell the reason for the torch job is, but the Libbos are certain, without a doubt, that it's a hate crime.

    How much perfect could this scenario be? I own a construction company; I have a constract to build a mosque; I'm late on some equipment notes; I burn my equipment, knowing that the PC Libbo in the local government will chompin at the bit to prove it's a hate crime, that the arson investigators won't have the chance to prove that I'd committed insurance fraud.

    Yeah, it's perfect!!
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