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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, I never said that I was personally being attacked, but since you bring up the context of what was typed let's look at it shall we?

    The thing that caught my eye was this statement by Ikari



    Now if it stopped there I would agree with you Joe that you can not take that as anything other than a general statement. But, when you add the context of the very next sentence



    The conditions of the country currently. Hmmm....What can I infer about that added statement. Well, go back to any of the threads dealing with the GZ Mosque, and Ikari makes it pretty clear that Muslims are not terrorist related to him. In fact, in the many back and forth's that we have engaged in about that, he considers the American's opposing that structure as the ones committing terrorism against the Muslims trying to build it there.

    In this I believe he is speaking about the political right in this country as being not only the ones responsible, even though he has absolutely zero evidence of this, but that he sees it easier to condemn his own countrymen as terrorists, while at the same time refusing to call out those who are actually committing these acts around the world as terrorists because he wouldn't offend them, but us? Well, that's another story.


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    I think you read too much into it, and do so often. And like always, show a certain reluctance to have any blame for anything attached to what you see as "your side." It's that whole blame America first whining, that says in effect never criticize, even when theire is clearly reason to criticize. I think you're doing it again, even if you read her correctly. This act is far more likle to come frm the right, whoever they are, than the left, who ever they are. It's a reasonble possibility for this particular act.
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, just asking....Is it only American's that can be generalized as terrorists?


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    Is there a point to this comment? Where did I ever even imply that only American's can be labeled as terrorists? The comment is beyond stupid. I said it's possible that it is an act of terrorism, which is true. So if we're done with stupid comments...
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, go back to any of the threads dealing with the GZ Mosque, and Ikari makes it pretty clear that Muslims are not terrorist related to him. In fact, in the many back and forth's that we have engaged in about that, he considers the American's opposing that structure as the ones committing terrorism against the Muslims trying to build it there.
    I believe this to be an incredibly idiotic statement.
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Is there a point to this comment? Where did I ever even imply that only American's can be labeled as terrorists? The comment is beyond stupid. I said it's possible that it is an act of terrorism, which is true. So if we're done with stupid comments...

    Ok, so let me ask you then that way there is no ambiguity to it....Who are you talking about committing an act of terrorism on the Mosque site in TN? Other Muslims, because that is the case more often than not world wide? Or are you blaming American's for this, and who exactly?


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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I believe this to be an incredibly idiotic statement.

    Ofcourse you do, now answer the question.


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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so let me ask you then that way there is no ambiguity to it....Who are you talking about committing an act of terrorism on the Mosque site in TN? Other Muslims, because that is the case more often than not world wide? Or are you blaming American's for this, and who exactly?


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    I am saying that it is possible that this act was an act of terrorism as defined by what terrorism is. I also said that we'd have to investigate and see if we can't arrest some suspects and take them to court to figure it out. Is that tough? Is that a hard statement to understand? Or does it just get in the way of your knee jerk reactionary rhetoric?
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I am saying that it is possible that this act was an act of terrorism as defined by what terrorism is. I also said that we'd have to investigate and see if we can't arrest some suspects and take them to court to figure it out. Is that tough? Is that a hard statement to understand? Or does it just get in the way of your knee jerk reactionary rhetoric?

    So who do you think were the terrorists involved? And what did you mean when you said that in the country currently you'd think it probable?


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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    For the third time, it's not a theory. I'm simply responding to the claims that there would be no possible motivation for this incident other than anti-Islamic bigotry. As always, there are several possible motivations, and as always, the simplest (someone opposed to the mosque did it) seems most likely.
    Actually - since this is one occurance (as opposed to multiple mosques) the most common and simplest motivation for arson is insurance fraud. Now, if we were talking about multiple mosques as a target of arson like the 9 churches in Texas one may say this is a serial arsonist or, possibly someone who's anti-Muslim. The more I think about one mosque being burned down as predicated on an anti-muslim bigot ... I don't think there's facts to back that up.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So who do you think were the terrorists involved? And what did you mean when you said that in the country currently you'd think it probable?


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    I think there is currently a very hostile air to some perceived "threats" by a segment of the population against another. Which one, who is being intellectually honest, could not deny. Because of the high emotions which currently exist, some people can be led to do acts which they normally wouldn't do. Because of it, the probability that this was an act of terrorism defined by what terrorism is seems a likely and valid reason. Though we will have to investigate and see if we can't find suspects and figure it out when we do. But it's still a likely probability. I don't see what your objection is to it, or how you can say I claim only Americans can be labeled as "terrorists" or any of your other outrageous claims you were trying to make.
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Actually - since this is one occurance (as opposed to multiple mosques) the most common and simplest motivation for arson is insurance fraud.
    Insurance fraud is also a likely probability. I think it's also a likely probability that it's some anti-Muslim nut job. We'll have to see what the investigation nets out.
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