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Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

If you want my guess, it was punk-ass kids. But they felt inspired by the negative vibe being created.

The first conclusion is logical, but the second conclusion has zero data to support it besides your own paradigms.
 
But would you say, particularly taking into account the current environment involving Muslims and the heated controversies around building a mosque, that it is a valid probability?

Sure, it's possible. At this point, anything is possible. At the same time, at this point, everything is pure speculation. Some folks have their minds made up, without a shadow of a doubt, that this is anti-Islamic racism. Surely, you've noticed those outrageous posts?
 
The first conclusion is logical, but the second conclusion has zero data to support it besides your own paradigms.

There's zero data to support any conclusion, at this point.
 
The racism in America continues to be a source of astonishment.
 
The racism in America continues to be a source of astonishment.

Compared to what?

I can't seem to say this enough: Islam is a religion, not a race. No matter how much you say it, Islam will never be a race.
 
Sure, it's possible. At this point, anything is possible. At the same time, at this point, everything is pure speculation. Some folks have their minds made up, without a shadow of a doubt, that this is anti-Islamic racism. Surely, you've noticed those outrageous posts?

I saw the post which tried to say I think only Americans can be labeled terrorists when I suggested that the prossibility of this being a terrorist case as defined by our functional definition of terrorism was a valid probability. So perchance we can say that there are nuts on both sides taking the extreme.
 
and it gets worse:
Reports of Shots Fired Near Tennessee Mosque Site | 13WMAZ.com | Macon, GA

anyone still want to claim its insurance fraud?

The police are investigating - normal proceedings, no pre-judgment.

Were the sounds shots? Other sounds can be mistaken for shots - it happens all the time.
Was anyone injured? Obviously not.
Any witnesses other than those who reported it to collaborate? Other people in the neighborhood?

These are the thins the investigation will uncover and if there is any evidence of who/what/when - they'll bring that around in due process.

But it really irritates the crap out of me that the article uses the improper tense of 'was' instead of 'were'.
 
The racism in America continues to be a source of astonishment.

Race isn't the issue, here.
It's religion.

Religon has always been an iissue of tension in the US and countless other countries. . .as well as around the world. Especially this particular religion - it doesn't exactly coax out peace and tranquility.
 
Religon has always been an iissue of tension in the US and countless other countries. . .as well as around the world. Especially this particular religion - it doesn't exactly coax out peace and tranquility.

No, it's racial. There are white Muslims all over the U.S... they don't get attacked. Even Sikhs get attacked more, just because they wear turbans and people are ignorant.

Don't blame Islam. Blame the media. Most Muslims are just living their lives in peace like any other American. It doesn't give anyone the right to go light fire to a place of worship. All of the media should be held accountable. There is nothing but racist, hateful propaganda being spun on it.
 
It's quite sickening that there are those here that would attempt, of all things, to blame Muslims for this arson.

The new Jim Crow indeed.
 
It's quite sickening that there are those here that would attempt, of all things, to blame Muslims for this arson.

The new Jim Crow indeed.

It's worse that people would make a conclusion with no evidence other then someone started a fire at the construction site.
 
Or maybe someone involved in the project was looking to reap the insurance reward for the "fire".

Which is another reason for arson, but no no you tolerance folks, with you it's all about those DAMNED BIGOTED SOUTHERNERS!!

Vicchio, the first thought most normal folks have is: "Thank God, no one was hurt."

Speculating about 'Jewish (or Muslim) lightening' is where you go first. Interesting.
 
No, it's racial. There are white Muslims all over the U.S... they don't get attacked. Even Sikhs get attacked more, just because they wear turbans and people are ignorant.

Don't blame Islam. Blame the media. Most Muslims are just living their lives in peace like any other American. It doesn't give anyone the right to go light fire to a place of worship. All of the media should be held accountable. There is nothing but racist, hateful propaganda being spun on it.

Seriously? "Blame the media" for people's decision to attack, fight, kill, set a blaze . . .
I blame *individuals* because *they* are the ones who are in control of their selves, their minds, their actions - and they *chose* to do these things - they chose to act out and be a doucher.

I've watched a lot of news and never once did I think "burn down their churches!" :shrug: So I guess their subliminal messages aren't getting through to me. Am I watching the wrong channel?
 
Vicchio, the first thought most normal folks have is: "Thank God, no one was hurt."

Speculating about 'Jewish (or Muslim) lightening' is where you go first. Interesting.

What in the world are you basing this absurd suggestion on? Are you a mind reader Hazl. Did you magically peer into Mr V's head and determine what he actually thought? Or are you basing it off his first post. And if so, why the hypocritical condemnation and faux outrage not to mention the horribly innaccurate starting comment. I don't see you questioning the "Normal Folks" that spoke prior to Mr. V that happened to be on your side of the issues. You know, the ones whose first statements weren't about "thank god people got hurt" but instead:

Is anyone truly surprised by this? Sadly, I can say I am not. When you appeal to peoples' baser instincts, someone will feel compelled to act as if they had support to commit this crime.

Someone just wishing to use it to demonize people by implying those upset by the mosque in NYC helped compell it to happen through their words and actions.

No truer words than those. Reminds me of those idiots who bomb abortion clinics once in a while. They actually think they are righteous. They're nothing but thugs.

Who uses it as a chance to immedietely tie it to Christian extremism.

It was too close to ground zero.

Who uses it as a chance to ridicule those that oppose the one in New York.

In a different time, you would see people like this at a lynching in Selma, Alabama, or throwing Jews into ovens in Germany. This is one of those situations where the FBI needs to come in, find those responsible, and throw them in prison for a long time on civil rights violations. Then these punks can share their beds with the skinheads and Neonazi gang members that are also there.

Who proceeds to immedietely assume what happened and goes forward godwining the thread.

While I wish our political entertainers would be reponsible and tone down their silliness, free speech means we have to stomach their puke.

Who uses it as a chance to blame political personalities.

Yes, yes, we must fully and completely reserve or dire hatred and antipathy for Mr. V for DARING to express with his first thought/post his view of what it could be....because, you know, NO ONE else prior to him did that in any way shape or form and he in no way shape or form could've possibly been responding to accusations and assumptions other posteres were making.

:roll:
 
If I might add Zyphlin that I even expressed thanks that no one was killed on page 3, post #27. Furthermore, if my fast scan is correct, I'm the first one to even express thanks that there were no injuries.

It's also true that people rush to assume it was anti-islamic bigotry, and the over the top "This reminds me of the 1960's church burnings" crap is uncalled for. IF IT IS some loon, then it's a lemantable act of hate, glad no one died. Now, if this starts happening in multiple places, THEN you an start making comparisons.

Hazlnut's just not a very honest person.
 
Just pointing out that this wasn't just one occurrence.

Right - not just one incident in history, but one incident in recent history - as opposed to the 9 churches in East Texas which I linked to. Subtle differences here - serial arson, bigoted arson, insurance fraud... for all we know it's kids, or it's white power nazi's, or it could be the construction company is going broke and needed the insurance money.
 
It's also true that people rush to assume it was anti-islamic bigotry, and the over the top "This reminds me of the 1960's church burnings" crap is uncalled for. IF IT IS some loon, then it's a lamentable act of hate, glad no one died. Now, if this starts happening in multiple places, THEN you an start making comparisons.

I think he's right, an investigation should be completed before ANYONE draws conclusions or speculates too far about anything. Just because there's a lot of anti-Islamic feelings in this country, both over 9/11 and the Mosque near the old WTC site, we shouldn't assume that this arson was motivated by the fact that it was a Mosque.

HOWEVER, I think if I was a police officer or an investigator it would be the most logical place to start and if I was a betting man I'd bet the crime was motivated by some anti-Islamic feelings. We all have to admit that there are some very strong feelings regarding Islam in America among a lot of people, and it only takes ONE person to go over the edge for just a little way to burn down a building. I think its safe to say that without offending any feelings.
 
Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson - CBS News

Is anyone truly surprised by this? Sadly, I can say I am not. When you appeal to peoples' baser instincts, someone will feel compelled to act as if they had support to commit this crime.



So you are assuming this is anti-muslim backlash? Tell me detective, did you rule out insurance fraud, a personal feud, disgruntled members of said mosque? Or are you simple doing the same thing you are accusing who you are speculating about of, :shrug:
 
I think he's right, an investigation should be completed before ANYONE draws conclusions or speculates too far about anything. Just because there's a lot of anti-Islamic feelings in this country, both over 9/11 and the Mosque near the old WTC site, we shouldn't assume that this arson was motivated by the fact that it was a Mosque.

HOWEVER, I think if I was a police officer or an investigator it would be the most logical place to start and if I was a betting man I'd bet the crime was motivated by some anti-Islamic feelings. We all have to admit that there are some very strong feelings regarding Islam in America among a lot of people, and it only takes ONE person to go over the edge for just a little way to burn down a building. I think its safe to say that without offending any feelings.

No one's saying that some idiot bigot DIDN'T do this, but holy hells the jump to that conclusion went way overboard, all the way to Dan going on about Church Burnings of the 60's man. That's just over-the-top **** right there.
 
So you are assuming this is anti-muslim backlash? Tell me detective, did you rule out insurance fraud, a personal feud, disgruntled members of said mosque? Or are you simple doing the same thing you are accusing who you are speculating about of, :shrug:

OMG THREAD DIVERSION!

Welcome Back Rev. You were missed.
 
No one's saying that some idiot bigot DIDN'T do this, but holy hells the jump to that conclusion went way overboard, all the way to Dan going on about Church Burnings of the 60's man. That's just over-the-top **** right there.

Hey man I'm on your side on this one! Friendly fire!
 
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