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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why? I bet there are many things which would get you to speak of that manner. It is entirely possible this was a terrorist act. In fact, given the conditions of the country currently, I would say pretty likely. Regardless, it is to be investigated, hopefully those who were responsible will be found and brought before the courts.

    So, just asking....Is it only American's that can be generalized as terrorists?


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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, this is similar to something that happened in Texas back in the 1960's. A black man was chained, weighted down, and then thrown into a lake. When those who did it were caught they said "We didn't do it. It's just like a nigger. Steal more chains than they can swim with". Your post, seeking to deny the obvious, reminded me of that story.
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    It's a shame this happened, and I hope they catch whoever did it. That's what should be said about pretty much every isolated incident of violence, but it just so happens that a liberal firebombing a liberal congressman's office or a conservative (supposedly) burning a mosque construction site offers the partisans another chance to draw wildly sweeping conclusions.


    Quote Originally Posted by TennesseeRain View Post
    I don't believe that you actually believe that. First of all, there is no insurance "reward" - the company's obligation, under tort law, would be to put the insured back to where they were before the fire occurred. In other words, they'd get exactly the cost of the damage - no profit. So much for your stupid theory.
    There's a big difference between tort law and insurance payouts. I'm obviously not saying it's the case here, but there are many situations where building owners find it profitable to burn their own property. It's one of the most common causes of arson.
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    It's a shame this happened, and I hope they catch whoever did it. That's what should be said about pretty much every isolated incident of violence, but it just so happens that a liberal firebombing a liberal congressman's office or a conservative (supposedly) burning a mosque construction site offers the partisans another chance to draw wildly sweeping conclusions.




    There's a big difference between tort law and insurance payouts. I'm obviously not saying it's the case here, but there are many situations where building owners find it profitable to burn their own property. It's one of the most common causes of arson.
    Look: I don't want this to be about "conservatives". I'm just saying the growing anti-Muslim rancor is creating a potentially dangerous atmosphere. I mean, the former Speaker of the House said: "Islam is a very evil and wicked religion". I know very well, that not all conservatives agree with that sentiment about Muslims in America.

    And I would join you in skepticism, but since this isn't about a completed building and instead about a basically empty site with construction equipment on it, I don't see any way anyone could profit from a self-set fire at this point. Nor would they profit from painting "not welcome" on the sign on the construction site.

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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Look: I don't want this to be about "conservatives". I'm just saying the growing anti-Muslim rancor is creating a potentially dangerous atmosphere. I mean, the former Speaker of the House said: "Islam is a very evil and wicked religion". I know very well, that not all conservatives agree with that sentiment about Muslims in America.
    "I don't want this to be about conservatives, but here's the reason why a lot of conservatives are to blame for this."

    And I would join you in skepticism, but since this isn't about a completed building and instead about a basically empty site with construction equipment on it, I don't see any way anyone could profit from a self-set fire at this point. Nor would they profit from painting "not welcome" on the sign on the construction site.
    From one week ago:

    Amid national and local debate, the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro broke ground on its future Veals Road home last week. At the same time, the center has issued an "urgent" plea for donations from the Muslim community nationwide to help build the facility before efforts to derail the project can succeed.
    Center solicits Muslims' financial aid to complete Murfreesboro mosque | tennessean.com | The Tennessean

    I would assume that donations will go up rather than down as a result of this incident.

    For those who want to help, there's a donation button at their website.
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    People don't need anyone on TV with any views to do arson.

    Arson is a different psychological act - there's often a personal thrill that goes along with it that's not fostered by 'tv rhetoric'
    Howevrer, this has to do with the target more than arson. Sure, tere are people who burn because they like things to burn. however, those who target specific groups aren't necessarily part of the population you're speaking to.
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, just asking....Is it only American's that can be generalized as terrorists?


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    Seems like an odd question as her comments don't singlr out Americans in that way. is this like a person with poor self exteem thinking all comments areattacking them personally?

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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Let's see, the protesters of the mosque are saying that they're afraid that the new building is going to be a training ground for terrorists bent on overthrowing America. Then the Muslims who will go to this mosque begin defending their ground and stockpiling arms.

    What do you think the protesters of this mosque would say?

    Let's be honest here. It would likely only fuel greater protests. It wouldn't win over those who are on the fence or neutral about the mosque. And I can totally see people saying that they set it themselves so they could justify arming themselves.
    Two thoughts: first, speculation without substantiation is stupid.

    Second, American Muslims already have a constitutional right to arm themselves, so they don't have to justify it.

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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    This is grasping at straws. There is no evidence, whatsoever, that this arson was committed for the purpose of insurance or donations. It's just as sweeping and wild a conclusion as any other to even suggest it. What is clear is that anti Islamic furor has reached a high in this country, and that is why it has become so easy for people to quickly draw the conclusion that this was an act of anti Islamic violence.

    Murfreesboro, Tenn., Temecula, Calif., Sheboygan, Wis., etc. All are places that have erupted in protests against the building of new mosques since people began protesting the Islamic Community Center in New York. Exactly how far from Ground Zero do you have to be to peacefully build a mosque in this country?

    When America became a land where people wanted to trample on other people's freedom of religion and became so afraid of Islam that they sought to push it out of their community by denying people a place to worship, that is when the terrorists really won. The burning down of a mosque is nothing compared to the travesty of what these protests have done to America's reputation as a land of freedom.
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post

    I would assume that donations will go up rather than down as a result of this incident.

    For those who want to help, there's a donation button at their website.
    I would NOT give a red cent.....

    I decided to donate money to Fisher House instead. At least until I can vett an appropriate charity.

    For those who aren't familiar with Mr. Fisher or the organization he founded, let me tell you about them.

    Zach Fisher made a fortune as a construction contracter in New York. During WW2, he was denied the opportunity to serve for some health issue. His future wife was a USO girl during the war. Having amassed quite a fortune in the years following the war, Mr. Fisher decided he should give some of it back to his country, a Nation he loved dearly. He had tremendous respect for those men and women who sacrificed many things to serve America, and he wanted his gift to be beneficial to those who did the most to ensure his freedom. So, he created the Fisher House Foundation.

    The Fisher House Foundation is a non-profit charity, which constructs homes near military medical facilities, for use by sick or injured servicemen, retirees, and the families of these veterans. The homes are quite nice and usually consist of around 10 or 12 private bedrooms, a kitchen, dining room, a family-style room, and a sitting room. They are staffed full-time by a manager who oversees the day-to-day operations. They also rely on volunteers to donate food or time. These volunteers cook for the guests, drive them to the hospital, the commisary, PX/BX, or to other errands, and they also just come in to visit with the guests, so that they don't feel lonely during their stay.

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