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Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

Show me where they said that...

The point that American people are acting on hate and bigotry is very clear - not enoguh to make a gross generalization if one was being made, but take a look at the cluster**** that is SodaHead.com to see what I mean.
 
The point that American people are acting on hate and bigotry is very clear - not enoguh to make a gross generalization if one was being made, but take a look at the cluster**** that is SodaHead.com to see what I mean.

And that will only grow, Travelsonic, in response to Islamic hate and bigotry taking place all over the world. That's also happening in Western Europe as well.

Muslims had better draw in their horns pretty quickly or there is bound to be violence. Muslims commit violence everywhere, or threaten it, but I doubt they could compare with what the democracies could do if the Muslims push too far.
 
Which site are you referring to now?


No, 1.6 billion did not attack NYC city on 9/11. We all know that. Just as all Britons didn't bomb Dresden or all Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor. And the Americans are not patting themselves on the back for this, I am patting them on the back for this. I'm Canadian. But why shouldn't Americans feel proud of themselves. You're British and a BBC fan, right?? And why this talk of Christians? Are you deliberately muddying the waters or are you into moral equivalence? Have Christians been putting bombs on transportation systems in Europe? The idea is ludicrous and we should just stick to the facts.




Well it's pretty stupid to relate Christians to the Klan all right but we do know that many Muslims support terrorism, Sharia law and so on. The same cannot be said of Christians.



Poll: Most Say "Ground Zero Mosque" Is Inappropriate - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Why shouldn't Americans be angry at Muslims for creating terror in the democracies and killing Innocent people everywhere? If it were Germans, Koreans, or Brazilians, wouldn't you get a little concerned? It seems you really bought into the innocent Muslim theory, despite your lack of evidence.

After 10 years of good will and the refusal to stereotype, Americans are starting to fight back at this very disrespectful act in NYC. And unless Muslims draw in, and don't overplay their hand, it will get worse. The soft approach has not worked in Europe and we're quite aware that it won't work here.

Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK - Telegraph

The center is not being built on ground zero. That's just a fact.

And your 71% number was for pissing them off and not a the lesser claim of thinking it was inappropriate. You can think it inappropriate, as wrong as that is, and not be pissed off.

And the British are a country. You can blame a country. You cannot blame all in a religion. Britain bombed Dreseden. The Muslim faith did not commit the crime of 9/11. Al Qaeda did. Like many, you mix up the order in your stereotyping. Brittian the country is the larger grouping, and individual members the smaller grouping. Al Qaeda is the smaller grouping, and the Muslim religiion the larger grouping. All British citizens are part of the British country, even those who disagree with with the government, and even with that, not all are responsibile.

Now look at the foolishness with the center. Al Qaeda is the smaller group. Not only do not all Muslims agree with al Qaeda, but most are not even members of that smaller group, thus having no connection at all. Nothing like citizens of a country have. It is sheer ignorant to pretend the two examples are alike.
 
The center is not being built on ground zero. That's just a fact.

If you are referring to the WTC as 'ground zero, that is true, but it is being built on a site that was damaged and rendered unusable after the attack. It is simply to close to where 3,000 people died at Muslims hands.
And your 71% number was for pissing them off and not a the lesser claim of thinking it was inappropriate. You can think it inappropriate, as wrong as that is, and not be pissed off.

Oh, i think it's safe to say that a large number are pissed off but that question wasn't included in the survey. "Inappropriate" though suggests strongly that the Muslims in charge should not go through with this idea. If the idea was to build harmony, as originally claimed, why would they want to upset 71% of the American population? Why is this mosque so important to them when they have over 100 mosques already in NYC? Any ideas?
And the British are a country. You can blame a country. You cannot blame all in a religion.

Certainly you can. Residents of a country may have quite different belief systems but what sets religions apart is that they all share the same belief system. Certainly there might be differences of opinion within that system, but the fundamental belief is the same, and differs greatly from other religions..

Britain bombed Dreseden.The Muslim faith did not commit the crime of 9/11. Al Qaeda did.

No, the RAF bombed Dresden, not the British people, but all of Britain was held responsible. Likewise, when Al Qaeda bombed NYC, or London, or Madrid, their linkage is Islam and thus, using your example, all Muslims can all be held responsible. It might be different if Muslims were taking to the streets in great numbers, protesting these atrocities against human life, but they are not. Instead they have people like yourself who are protesting in their name, and offering up excuses that they might never make for themselves.

As well, of course you'll continue to blame the victims, insisting that the democracies, and the victims of terrorism, suffer in silence rather than respond.
Like many, you mix up the order in your stereotyping. Brittian the country is the larger grouping, and individual members the smaller grouping,

And how long will these groupings remain static? Do you understand demographics? Muslims and their leaders certainly do. Many have four wives and great numbers of children while many women in the western democracies are aborting their babies. How long do you think this trend can continue without huge changes being made? The answer is about 60 years.

Al Qaeda is the smaller grouping, and the Muslim religiion the larger grouping.

And do you feel these numbers will remain the same over the next 10, 20 or 50 years? If just one percent of British Muslims support terrorism, and that seems to be the case, that is about 300,000 terrorist supporter there. These can be very violent people. Do you feel that any 'moderate Muslim is willing to stand up against them? The west is frightened of upsetting Islamic terrorism over cartoons, burning the koran, etc, and run scared. Why should regular Muslims challenge them if we remain afraid?



All British citizens are part of the British country, even those who disagree with with the government, and even with that, not all are responsibile.

Now look at the foolishness with the center. Al Qaeda is the smaller group. Not only do not all Muslims agree with al Qaeda, but most are not even members of that smaller group, thus having no connection at all. Nothing like citizens of a country have. It is sheer ignorant to pretend the two examples are alike.

You know that Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization that will do whatever they can to frighten people into behaving a certain way, usually through the indiscriminate killings of innocent people. But is it too large a jump to think these same people don't have a propaganda wing? A political wing? Do you really believe they are that backward that they couldn't operate on more than one level?

It seems I have more confidence in the intelligence of these people that you do. As usual it's the Left who fall first for the propaganda and that there is nothing to see here but a few crazy people who are the cause of the problem, that everyone else wants to live in peace and harmony. As well, they swallow whole the idea that is the leaders of the democracies who are the villains whenever their is a response to militant Islam, never the perpetrators.
 
It is simply to close to where 3,000 people died at Muslims hands.

Wait, isn't that the TOTAL death toll on 9-11, INCLUDING The numbers who died in Flight 93, and Flight 77 which were nowhere near the twin towers?
 
Wait, isn't that the TOTAL death toll on 9-11, INCLUDING The numbers who died in Flight 93, and Flight 77 which were nowhere near the twin towers?

What is your point, Travelsonic? If it was only 2,000 or 2,500 it wouldn't matter?
 
If you are referring to the WTC as 'ground zero, that is true, but it is being built on a site that was damaged and rendered unusable after the attack. It is simply to close to where 3,000 people died at Muslims hands.

I bet a few of those dead were Muslim.
 
The point that American people are acting on hate and bigotry is very clear - not enoguh to make a gross generalization if one was being made....

Wow! Talk about a totally diametrically opposed statement here.

Winston53660 said:
I bet a few of those dead were Muslim.

What in the heck does that have to do with the price of Tea in China? Do you think that because there were Muslims in the Towers that were killed that we should capitulate to Islam wishes and hopes of caliphate in the world? That we should bow to Shria law concerning what we do concerning the attack?

Jetboogieman said:
But silly facts Winston, have no place in Grants World.

Absolutely nonsense. The fact that Muslims were killed in the twin towers on 9/11 should stand as outrage within the American Muslim community that their own were killed as well, instead we hear deafening silence from institutions like CAIR, or worse yet, like the wonderful Imam Rauf a blaming of America itself as culpable for those attacks. It really is astonishing the length of guilt we American's are willing to place upon ourselves after such egregious acts.

Travelsonic said:
Wait, isn't that the TOTAL death toll on 9-11, INCLUDING The numbers who died in Flight 93, and Flight 77 which were nowhere near the twin towers?

And what the hell does that have to do with anything other than some lame attempt at moral relativism, and a diminishing of what happened that day? It smacks of you making excuses for the enemy.

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I don't believe that you actually believe that. First of all, there is no insurance "reward" - the company's obligation, under tort law, would be to put the insured back to where they were before the fire occurred. In other words, they'd get exactly the cost of the damage - no profit. So much for your stupid theory.

Agreed. Every dealing I've had with insurance companies has been a net loss. "Sorry, sir, but that's depreciated and only worth $xxxxx book value".

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