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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And I say again...please...by all means...produce your evidence to suggest that this was a hate crime.
    Let's see, how about the fact that their older mosque was vandalised with hate speech?

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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Yes, I even said I agreed with him (that there was no evidence of who/why this crime was committed). I merely said that there was evidence to SUGGEST why this crime was committed. I clearly said that over the course of two pages. He repeatedly misinterpreted that into "there is evidence that this was a hate crime".

    No, I never said that.
    You, just a few hours ago:

    The facts on the ground support that this was most likely a hate crime.
    A plain reading of this statement indicates that you're claiming there is evidence this was a hate crime. He's asked you for it for a dozen posts.
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You, just a few hours ago:

    A plain reading of this statement indicates that you're claiming there is evidence this was a hate crime. He's asked you for it for a dozen posts.
    Key words: most, likely

    There is evidence to support the claim that this was a hate crime. Do you agree or disagree?

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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Key words: most, likely

    There is evidence to support the claim that this was a hate crime. Do you agree or disagree?
    You spent the past 20 posts arguing about how there was a difference between "there's evidence that this was a hate crime" and "there's evidence to support the claim that this was a hate crime."

    I point out that you said the former and you respond by asking me if I agree with the latter.

    It sounds like you're conflating the two, which is exactly what you angrily accused him of doing.
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You spent the past 20 posts arguing about how there was a difference between "there's evidence that this was a hate crime" and "there's evidence to support the claim that this was a hate crime."

    I point out that you said the former and you respond by asking me if I agree with the latter.
    Except I did not say it exactly like you have it quoted above. I clearly said most likely. There is no point in trying to be disingenuous.

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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Except I did not say it exactly like you have it quoted above. I clearly said most likely. There is no point in trying to be disingenuous.
    I don't think I'm the one being disingenuous.

    You said: "The facts on the ground support that this was most likely a hate crime." The inclusion of "most likely" doesn't change the fact that you're saying there is evidence that this was (most likely) a hate crime. That's what he's asking about.

    Personally, I don't think there's a real difference between the two statements. I already stated my position, which is probably close to yours on this. I just don't know why you're so adamant about there being a distinction.
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Are conservatives really this desperate to keep this arson from coming across as a hate crime?

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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Are conservatives really this desperate to keep this arson from coming across as a hate crime?
    Without even a shred of evidence as to who was behind this or why it happened, it's far too early to start pointing fingers or offering thinly-veiled "suggestions" about who's to blame. It's particularly inflammatory where the people making those "suggestions" are dyed-in-the-wool partisans who see this as little more than an opportunity to claim that their positions have been vindicated.

    As to the insinuation that the conservatives in the thread are acting disingenuously, I took the same position when people were rushing to label the Fort Hood incident a terrorist attack. I doubt that everyone in this thread can say the same.
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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Let's see, how about the fact that their older mosque was vandalised with hate speech?
    Gotcha...past bad acts by unknown assailants are proof of this act...by...who exactly? SO...it IS legit to judge all Muslims by past actions of other Muslims.

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    Re: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Are conservatives really this desperate to keep this arson from coming across as a hate crime?
    I dont know...a 'critical thinker' MIGHT recognize that wothout evidence or proof we dont HAVE a hate crime. WHich has been the point all along. Investigate first. Find who did what. Of course...a 'critical thinker' would also recognize that there are other possible answers and wouldnt jump to any conclusions until after the police have investigated and found who did what. You know...if you were actualy a 'critical thinker'.

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