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    Re: A U.S. 'legacy of waste' in Iraq

    i stated above that it was my opinion that obama made his second oval office address last nite on this topic he selected because he saw himself as having very few political triumphs to trumpet

    his "saved" car industry, i noted was one (by his thinking)

    his fulfillment of his campaign promise to pullout of iraq was his other (regardless, it appears, of the situation on the ground and the consequences geopolitically and regionally of certain events that are not difficult to foresee...)

    well, today we learned that auto sales suffered their worst august in 28 years

    Weak auto sales are latest sign of sluggish U.S. economy - Sep. 1, 2010

    so much for that presidential talking point

    as for iraq, the president did keep his campaign promise, but is he wise to do so?

    i'm speaking, as always, politically

    most the msm's are expressing serious reservations and concerns

    once again, these encompass iran, sects, civilian violence, political instability, al qaeda...

    politico this afternoon expresses another

    President Obama turns the page ? to Afghanistan - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

    closing the chapter in iraq, naturally, merely leads to the next

    and exactly how do YOU feel about what's going on these bloody days in afghanistan?

    for what are our bravest and brightest men and women sacrificing in the mountains that undid the ussr?

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    Re: A U.S. 'legacy of waste' in Iraq

    continuing to turn pages, next in barry's book, which clearly lacks a chapter on realpolitik, is this dialogue between israel and the "palestinians" he's putting so much of his capital into

    Opinion: Mideast peace talks' hidden threat - Jonathan Schanzer - POLITICO.com

    these things i did not know, and they are scarily serious:

    obama's peace talks embrace only the leaders of the west bank and NOT GAZA

    40% of extant palestinians live in old philistia, they are represented by a political wing of hamas who were very popularly elected

    that is, there is reason to believe that the political leaders of gaza express well the sentiments of palestinians at large, ie, even those on the banks of the jordan

    by including only the palestinian authority in his peace talks, obama is "excising" almost half the oppressed, as well as those who are probably the most apt spokespeople of palestinian hearts

    by recognizing the unelected authority obama gives credance to (according to roger simon's journo listers) "another illegitimate authoritarian middle east regime"

    and "that's certainly not a pro palestinian policy"

    by isolating gaza obama, evidently unwittingly, leaves hamas with "little choice but continuing to remain on the iranian dole"

    "dole," tho accurate, may not be the most telling word to describe this relationship

    some discussion of client status may be more pertinent

    gaza remains an "official terrorist state, disowned by its neighbors, leaving its people with fewer opportunities"

    any future conflict with gaza will naturally "draw in" the aspirations of palestinians even in the west bank---out of solidarity

    ie, by excluding gaza obama merely exacerbates already overstrained tensions there which, almost inevitably, will involve the brotherhood on the bank, thus undoing any progress he hopes to make in his tripartite tete a tete with messieurs bebe and abbas

    even more troubling: "obama has ignored the conflict [between hamas and the authority] entirely"

    schanzer's conclusion: "obama has yet to answer these questions, with no apparent endgame in sight his peace talks may do more harm than good for the palestinian cause"

    are you sure this guy knows what he's doing?
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    Re: A U.S. 'legacy of waste' in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    That whole war was a massive waste of money, time, resources and most of all lives. We should NEVER have gone there in the first place, when there we should have left rapidly, not stayed and stayed and stayed. Sadly the Iraqi people will be paying the price of this war for generations to come - meanwhile Haliburton and Co made millions.
    Of course they did, Dicksucker Cheney owns that company. He get rich while the rest of us get a destroyed economy and dead family members.

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    Re: A U.S. 'legacy of waste' in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    That whole war was a massive waste of money, time, resources and most of all lives. We should NEVER have gone there in the first place, when there we should have left rapidly, not stayed and stayed and stayed. Sadly the Iraqi people will be paying the price of this war for generations to come - meanwhile Haliburton and Co made millions.
    No need to say something twice -- quoted for large amounts of truth.

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