Page 3 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 44

Thread: A U.S. 'legacy of waste' in Iraq

  1. #21
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: A U.S. 'legacy of waste' in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I agree, and was in agreement... my point was pointed at those foolish individuals that believed the Iraqi's are somehow worse off now than with Saddam... a viewpoint that simply boggles the mind.

    First they cried about "connecting-the-dots", and then cry when the dots and evidence lead to Saddam still having WMD (you don't have to buy anything Bush said, just read Hans Blix's report to the UN) and we acted because Saddam would not follow the rules... as he hadn't for 12-years. After years of Clinton wagging his finger and doing nothing... Post 911 we didn't have that luxury of appeasing the pacifists or terrorists.

    I think the Dems are despicable. They vote to send troops to war (Senate Dems asked for and got a second vote to try and cover for their decades of hostility to the military) for political expediency, then stabbed them in the back when the troops needed their support the most... also for political expediency.

    Some of them like Reid and Durbin should have been brought to trial for treason.

    The Dems put on a display that was so disgusting it will be difficult to top, but I'm sure they will try. As the Iraq war illustrated, they have zero shame.

    .
    .
    Wrong question, not to mention a misrepresentation of what people are actually arguing. The fact is we cost the lives of thousands up on thousands of Iraqis (a low ball estimate of some 100,000) when any number of less costly measures could have been taken that would not have cost near as much money or lives. Being reckless can't be excused even if iraq becomes heaven on earth.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  2. #22
    Cheese
    Aunt Spiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Sasnakra
    Last Seen
    09-10-16 @ 06:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,433

    Re: A U.S. 'legacy of waste' in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    A U.S. 'legacy of waste' in Iraq - latimes.com

    As the rest of the world have been saying for ages... but I love this part.



    or




    Talk about incompetence... but guessing the Bush officials in charge got promoted for this.
    I know we're horrible about waste.
    But GD - that's pathetic.

    *cue the sarcastic clapping family* WTF

    Future lessons to be learned from this - if you're rebuilding an area, region, country or nation - do NOT do it while you're still quelling the upheaval. Seems like common sense (which has left the building).

    Can't completely blame Bush, though - it's just one of many in a long line of government waste (cue Tea Party Rhetoric here) and futher leads to the sense that government is run by idiots who have absolutely no concern for our money which they so gleefully spend.

    It's like those home-rebuild shows where they rebuild the house in a week and leave the occupants with spiked taxes, maintenance cost and basic utility increases - but aren't concerned with all that, tossing it aside as trivial 'details' to be swept under the rug.

    The story was similar in other sectors. A recent audit cites the example of an unfinished slaughterhouse in Basra — price tag $5.6 million — that was undertaken without securing a supply of water to wash away the blood.
    Gesus - anyone home? Hellloooo.


    But what did they/we/anyone expect, really? Great land of waste and poor taste - anything good happen?

    It's a reality check - us Americans have no control over money, budgeting and this thing called 'planning' doesn't really exist, either - and starting things that come in WAY over budget (if at all finished) is nothing new in the USA. The problem, I guess, is that this is fact - and other countries can't afford our bull****.
    Last edited by Aunt Spiker; 08-31-10 at 12:45 PM.
    A screaming comes across the sky.
    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
    Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow

  3. #23
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: A U.S. 'legacy of waste' in Iraq

    well, we all know everything govt touches turns to waste, what were we to expect

    meanwhile, cbo elmendorf accounted just last week that SEVEN YEARS of w-stands-for-what's-his-name's war cost a full twenty percent CHEAPER than president pie-in-the-face's massive 09 STIMULUS (which word you really shouldn't use, it's rude, the white house prefers "recovery act")

    Little-known fact: Obama's failed stimulus program cost more than the Iraq war | Washington Examiner

    yup, numbers and elmendorfs, unlike dp forums members, don't lie

    at least, in iraq, where the presidential putz this pm will proudly proclaim MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, we all have something big (according to the white house) to show for SEVEN HUNDRED AND NINE b's

    as for the stimu... err, recovery act, michael bennet says 8 hundred and sixty two b's later there's NOTHING TO SHOW

    Bennet Bombshell: Trillions in Debt, ‘Nothing to Show for It’ - Battle

    is THAT spin?

    are SENATOR BENNET and the C-B-O spinning?

  4. #24
    Professor
    bowerbird's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    australia
    Last Seen
    04-02-15 @ 09:30 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    1,430

    Re: A U.S. 'legacy of waste' in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I know we're horrible about waste.
    But GD - that's pathetic.

    *cue the sarcastic clapping family* WTF

    Future lessons to be learned from this - if you're rebuilding an area, region, country or nation - do NOT do it while you're still quelling the upheaval. Seems like common sense (which has left the building).

    Can't completely blame Bush, though - it's just one of many in a long line of government waste (cue Tea Party Rhetoric here) and futher leads to the sense that government is run by idiots who have absolutely no concern for our money which they so gleefully spend.

    It's like those home-rebuild shows where they rebuild the house in a week and leave the occupants with spiked taxes, maintenance cost and basic utility increases - but aren't concerned with all that, tossing it aside as trivial 'details' to be swept under the rug.



    Gesus - anyone home? Hellloooo.


    But what did they/we/anyone expect, really? Great land of waste and poor taste - anything good happen?

    It's a reality check - us Americans have no control over money, budgeting and this thing called 'planning' doesn't really exist, either - and starting things that come in WAY over budget (if at all finished) is nothing new in the USA. The problem, I guess, is that this is fact - and other countries can't afford our bull****.
    Oh! yes I can blame Bush - and so do the Iraqi's who hit back. Just think for a minute if this had been you. Let us say China comes marching into your country to do away with the "tyranny of commercialism" that is killing American people. After all it makes many live in abject poverty and homelessness. How would the American people have reacted? Now China having occupied your land tells you it is going to rebuild what it bombed, only the contractors it is using are not hiring the American people, who are now at over 50% unemployed - it is going to bring in outsiders to do the work. The rebuilding is so shoddy that the bombed ruins would have been better but OOOOOPS! guess what you cannot make the contractors do any better because the people in charge have decided that nobody can be sued.



    Just in case anyone forgets the real cost of the Iraqi war
    Last edited by bowerbird; 08-31-10 at 05:33 PM.
    Greenhouse gases: Any gas that, by an accident of chemistry, happens to absorb radiation of a type that the Earth, by an accident of history, would like to lose.
    The internet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhoea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind- boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it.


  5. #25
    Cheese
    Aunt Spiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Sasnakra
    Last Seen
    09-10-16 @ 06:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,433

    Re: A U.S. 'legacy of waste' in Iraq

    double post
    Last edited by Aunt Spiker; 08-31-10 at 05:41 PM.
    A screaming comes across the sky.
    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
    Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow

  6. #26
    Cheese
    Aunt Spiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Sasnakra
    Last Seen
    09-10-16 @ 06:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,433

    Re: A U.S. 'legacy of waste' in Iraq

    My point was that Yes- this is Bush-onomic FAILURE and it's most humiliating.

    But he's not *the first and only president* to toss our money down the unfinished crapper (literally, apparently).

    We need to REALLY try to tackle this problem so in the future - when we in someone else's hood - we don't do the SAME thing again.
    A screaming comes across the sky.
    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
    Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow

  7. #27
    Steve
    tryreading's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Central Florida
    Last Seen
    02-26-13 @ 07:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    4,809

    Re: A U.S. 'legacy of waste' in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Well the Army and the rest of the military has learned a lot from Iraq, so much in fact that we are a better prepared, more capable army, which if it had to re-do Iraq it could be done much better a second time around. And those COIN operations can be used all over the world, so hopefully other branches of the government learned as much as the military did.
    I believe you mean the third time around. Two wars there so far, so the next will be number 3, right?

    If we are learning so much from invading Iraq, we should just invade for the third time right now. Learning and learning and learning. Man, we'd be military geniuses, wouldn't we?
    Do not write in this space!

  8. #28
    Professor
    bowerbird's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    australia
    Last Seen
    04-02-15 @ 09:30 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    1,430

    Re: A U.S. 'legacy of waste' in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Well the Army and the rest of the military has learned a lot from Iraq, so much in fact that we are a better prepared, more capable army, which if it had to re-do Iraq it could be done much better a second time around. And those COIN operations can be used all over the world, so hopefully other branches of the government learned as much as the military did.
    Then why have we not won in Afghanistan??
    Greenhouse gases: Any gas that, by an accident of chemistry, happens to absorb radiation of a type that the Earth, by an accident of history, would like to lose.
    The internet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhoea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind- boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it.


  9. #29
    Cheese
    Aunt Spiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Sasnakra
    Last Seen
    09-10-16 @ 06:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,433

    Re: A U.S. 'legacy of waste' in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    Then why have we not won in Afghanistan??
    Did we ever "win" in Iraq?

    We're not fighting a war of attrition.
    A screaming comes across the sky.
    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
    Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow

  10. #30
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Ft. Campbell, KY
    Last Seen
    12-31-14 @ 08:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    12,177

    Re: A U.S. 'legacy of waste' in Iraq

    Afghanistan and Iraq are very different wars, what worked in Iraq may not work in Afghanistan. And Afghanistan is much more complex, its a much tougher nut to crack and to be successful in Afghanistan is going to take much more time than Iraq.

    By the way, thats not an excuse or a partisan opinion. Its an unbiased analysis of the situation, I'm not attempting to support any side or opinion when I say how much tougher and different Afghanistan is from Iraq, I'm simply looking at the facts and giving my analysis of what I see.

Page 3 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •