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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    As heroic as that sounds, that isn't her job and she doesn't have the authority to do so even if she wanted to.
    Yes, actually, defending the state and people of Arizona is the Governesses job.

    Defending the state and people of Arizona is also the Messiah's job.

    One of the two is trying to do her job, the other is doing his best to get Americans killed and harm the United States.

    Can you figure out who is doing which?

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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    While it may be your opinion that the law is Constitutional, the proverbial jury is still out in the only place it matters, that being the courts.
    No.

    The law is constitutional. The question is whether the courts are going to obey the Constitution, or do yet another ruling the violates the Constitution. They've done it before, with Plessy v Ferguson, Miller, Roe v Wade, etc.

    Aside from that, while the residents of Arizona can be as angry with the Federal government as they like with respect to its handling of illegal immigrants, the fact remains that border regulation and naturalization procedures are the exclusive domain of the Federal government.
    And, so what you're saying is that every counterfeiter arrested by local police MUST be released because they weren't arrested by the Secret Service.

    After all, the federal government has authority over the currency, not the states, just like you're claming that only the federal government has authority over the Invaders.

    Good thing the law doesn't actually work the way you people who want the United States destroyed wished it did.

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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You figured that one out all by yourself?
    Hey, if your only counter when someone shows you the flaws of your argument is to make fun of them, maybe you'd be more comfortable someplace else -- like 4chan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    And, specifically speaking, there should not be a dual citizenship for the United States. A man either chooses to sever his prior allegiences when he becomes a US citizen, or he chooses to not become a citizen.
    You can believe that all you want, but your beliefs and the law are two entirely separate things. Thank goodness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Which, by the way, is totally beside the point and you're deliberately making those flatulent non-sequitur noises because there's this little thing you're not mentioning about illegal aliens arrested for being in the country illegally.
    You said, "That fact that officials from a foreign nation officially recognized the prisoner as their citizen is evidence that the prisoner is indeed in the nation illegally and that person can then be shipped out the next day."

    I demonstrated two cases in which officials from a foreign nation officially recognize a prisoner as their citizen doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on whether that prisoner is here illegally.


    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    They're not US citizens.

    The fact that they're not US citizens has no bearing whatsoever on whether or they're here illegally.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes, actually, defending the state and people of Arizona is the Governesses job.
    Nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Defending the state and people of Arizona is also the Messiah's job.
    Nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    One of the two is trying to do her job, the other is doing his best to get Americans killed and harm the United States.
    Do you ever find yourself looking in the mirror in the morning, as you get ready to go to work, and bursting out with laughter at the absurdity of some of the **** you say?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Nope.
    Are you going to say it's the sheriff?

    Border control is a federal government matter, that was viewed as so intuitively a federal concern that it didn't get actual mention.... unless Obama is using that lack of specific mention as a loophole that it's not his concern?

    But, it goes down the line, if the federal government wont do it, then it's up to the states, and if they don't get the job done, then it's up to the citizens.

    Nope.
    I gave my position... why is it not Obama's responsibility to have the borders protected??

    Do you ever find yourself looking in the mirror in the morning, as you get ready to go to work, and bursting out with laughter at the absurdity of some of the **** you say?
    I wouldn't be so quick to make a statement like that... I mean, think about it... a sovereign nation is essentially like an organism of it's own, where all the different cells (people) accomplish the tasks to make the organism run like a well oiled machine... now, if the skin is paper thin, with holes in it, then outside things can get into the organism, some of it is benign, some beneficial, but every so often through these holes a virus might make it in and wreak havoc on the organism as a whole.

    So, it's important that a nation, just as individuals need somewhat of a thick skin, it's also got to be permeable enough to allow in the good.

    What would be the most logical? That the part of the body dealing with the veins, and the functions of all the various organs of the government cell, also be responsible for responding to 'holes' in the skin?? All Americans DO benefit from having a strong port entry system with guarded / closed borders, so they should all be taxed equally for this, right?

    Beyond having local people in charge of local border / port areas to be hired for by the government to perform the task, I don't see why this wouldn't be a federal matter?

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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Are you going to say it's the sheriff?
    No. Read the oath of office she took.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    But, it goes down the line, if the federal government wont do it, then it's up to the states, and if they don't get the job done, then it's up to the citizens.
    For that to be the case, government must have completely broken down and the Constitution must be tossed out the window. We're not anywhere near that point yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I gave my position... why is it not Obama's responsibility to have the borders protected??
    That has nothing to do with what Scarecrow said. He said, "Defending the state and people of Arizona is also the Messiah's job."

    It isn't.

    Read the President's oath of office.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I wouldn't be so quick to make a statement like that... I mean, think about it... a sovereign nation is essentially like an organism of it's own, where all the different cells (people) accomplish the tasks to make the organism run like a well oiled machine... now, if the skin is paper thin, with holes in it, then outside things can get into the organism, some of it is benign, some beneficial, but every so often through these holes a virus might make it in and wreak havoc on the organism as a whole.

    So, it's important that a nation, just as individuals need somewhat of a thick skin, it's also got to be permeable enough to allow in the good.

    What would be the most logical? That the part of the body dealing with the veins, and the functions of all the various organs of the government cell, also be responsible for responding to 'holes' in the skin?? All Americans DO benefit from having a strong port entry system with guarded / closed borders, so they should all be taxed equally for this, right?

    Beyond having local people in charge of local border / port areas to be hired for by the government to perform the task, I don't see why this wouldn't be a federal matter?
    You seem to be very confused.

    I was laughing in Scarecrow's face for insinuating that the President of the United States "is doing his best to get Americans killed and harm the United States."

    How you got anything else out of what I said is beyond me.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    It isn't.

    Read the President's oath of office.
    His oath requires him to faithfully execute the office the President, which in turn is required by the Constitution to faithfully execute the laws. If he's purposely choosing not to enforce immigration law, then he's breaking his oath.
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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Ta-da! We have a winner!
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Which, of course, puts Holder in a serious pickle, because he went on record as saying the DoJ won't accept illegal alien referrals from AZ, yet federal law specifically forbids the federal government from doing that. If Obama acquiesces, then he's breaking his oath in that instance, too.
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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Hershaw - I would add that his suing AZ on behalf of the foreign nationals residing in the country illegally... So, it seems that he escalates this to what I can only define as treason given the levels of violence on the border regions.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's at the very least anti-constitutional, what with that part of the constitution that says explicitly, that no president could sue a state or individual on behalf of a foreign country or people... maybe he thinks that since they made it in that they are no longer 'foreign'...

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