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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    As I understand it any treaty that puts a law into effect within the US MUST be ratified by congress. The president can't do it alone.

    There have been cases in the past where a president has signed a treaty but congress does not ratify it. This pretty much nullifies the treaty.
    The treaty WAS ratified by the Senate...
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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I agree with this fully.

    EVERY person arrested for deportation as a illegal alien should be allowed to be visited by officials from his nation's embassy.

    That fact that officials from a foreign nation officially recognized the prisoner as their citizen is evidence that the prisoner is indeed in the nation illegally and that person can then be shipped out the next day.
    Huh?!?!? You are saying that every foreign national is in the U.S. illegally?!?!? That is an interesting leap in logic...
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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    This is pretty lame. Finishing Daddies War.
    Ok, fine... that was a low blow...

    The intel may have been flawed, but the UN, Germany, France, Russia, The Brits, all agreed he had WMD.
    Because, to quote the downing street memo : "The intelligence is being fixed around this issue."

    Top Dems including Clinton/Gore warned about Saddam's threat and WMD... years before Bush set foot in office.
    Because if your puppet starts moving independently and knows where your skeletons are buried, you gotta come up with SOMETHING to shut him up... Like the PNAC document called for; 9-11 saved Bush from the long and drawn out justification.

    I would note how only half of Saddam's trial was heard before he was executed... the kurds robbed of justice.

    After 911, the world change. Bush went to the corrupt UN and got a unanimous vote in the Sec. Council.
    Saddam didn't fulfill his obligation after 12-years and 17 resolutions.
    That was only 1 of the 3 fraudulant claims that led us to invade Iraq, that he had ties to 9-11 (this one was heavily implied, never stated directly), and was a safe haven for al-ciada... but, there was no yellow cake, he had no ties to 9-11, and there were no ties to al-quaida.

    Pro war, anti-war is left vs. right.
    Check the record during the past 40-years.
    I'll tell you the difference :
    The republican will lie to get into a war.
    The democrats will lie claiming peace before going to war.

    The sad fact is that both political parties are warmongers, the only difference is the approach.

    Honestly... look at the peacnik Obama, and his mimicking Bush's "military operations are over"... he said essentially 'the war is over' when he removed 50k troops from Iraq, only to have them replaced by private mercenaries and changing the name to 'combat assistance'. Oh ya, those 50k of troops mostly got shipped over to afghanistan (or 50k new troops moved to afghanistan, whichever)

    Hans Blix stated Saddam was continuing playing games. He was not cooperating. He believed he had weaponized VX and Anthrax.
    Mistakenly... Saddam thought Bush was as weak as Clinton, and perhaps believed he had bought off the corrupt UN.

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    Ya, Saddam still thought of himself as a protected CIA asset is all...

    However, this situation DOES illustrate the importance of having probable cause rather then 'reasonable suspicion'... he had none of those things... he did have them at one point, but no more.

    The funny thing is that the SAME justification is now being attempted against Iran (well, the rhetoric has toned down in the past week or so, but before that).

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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Huh?!?!? You are saying that every foreign national is in the U.S. illegally?!?!? That is an interesting leap in logic...
    Do you know how to read?

    How's your thinking powers doin' for ya?

    Let's see....Governess Brewer is under fire for defending the State from the invasion from Mexico of ravening hordes of illegal aliens. That is the background of any contemporary thread about Arizona and Governess Brewer.

    The recent knife in the back by the US Department of State, aka Hillary Clinton, was a political jab at one of the fifty United States on the international stage for the sole purpose of polarizing the electorate of the United States.

    THAT'S what this discussion is about.

    You need to comb my post carefully and see if you can find any more ignorant strawmen to fall out to join the comment that I claimed all foreigners arrested are illegal aliens. Hell, you need to find that statement itself.

    Seriously, what the hell do you think the words "EVERY person arrested for deportation as a illegal alien " means?
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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    As I understand it any treaty that puts a law into effect within the US MUST be ratified by congress. The president can't do it alone.

    There have been cases in the past where a president has signed a treaty but congress does not ratify it. This pretty much nullifies the treaty.
    Any treaty must be ratified by 2/3 of the Senate. Dot. There isn't any pretty much about it, and the House has no say in such matters.

    I'm also a little curious about how many treaties contemplated by the government didn't have some sort of legal component. I don't think there's ever been such a thing, since a treaty is supposed to be a contractual agreement between 2 or more nations.
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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    That fact that officials from a foreign nation officially recognized the prisoner as their citizen is evidence that the prisoner is indeed in the nation illegally and that person can then be shipped out the next day.
    Do you mean in general? Because, generally speaking, one can be here legally without being a citizen, and generally speaking there is such a thing as dual citizenship.
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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Then again, there's the minor problem that the Arizona law is not only 100% compatible with the United States Constitution, it's 100% compatible with extant federal law, and there is NO violation of civil or human rights embodied in that law.
    While it may be your opinion that the law is Constitutional, the proverbial jury is still out in the only place it matters, that being the courts.

    Aside from that, while the residents of Arizona can be as angry with the Federal government as they like with respect to its handling of illegal immigrants, the fact remains that border regulation and naturalization procedures are the exclusive domain of the Federal government.

    At any rate, I'm not thrilled with the idea of 50 laws like this popping up at the state level. This is the sort of thing which should be handled by one law, by one authority, not 50 slightly different ways by a myraid of authorities. Whether or not the Feds are doing their job doesn't change my opinion on that.
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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Let's see....Governess Brewer is under fire for defending the State from the invasion from Mexico of ravening hordes of illegal aliens. That is the background of any contemporary thread about Arizona and Governess Brewer.
    As heroic as that sounds, that isn't her job and she doesn't have the authority to do so even if she wanted to.
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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Do you know how to read?

    How's your thinking powers doin' for ya?

    Let's see....Governess Brewer is under fire for defending the State from the invasion from Mexico of ravening hordes of illegal aliens. That is the background of any contemporary thread about Arizona and Governess Brewer.

    The recent knife in the back by the US Department of State, aka Hillary Clinton, was a political jab at one of the fifty United States on the international stage for the sole purpose of polarizing the electorate of the United States.

    THAT'S what this discussion is about.

    You need to comb my post carefully and see if you can find any more ignorant strawmen to fall out to join the comment that I claimed all foreigners arrested are illegal aliens. Hell, you need to find that statement itself.

    Seriously, what the hell do you think the words "EVERY person arrested for deportation as a illegal alien " means?
    Hey, I am against what Clinton and the State Department did. I am DEFENDING Arizona and have since the law was announced. However, there are legal processes to be followed and I was arguing that Arizona has been to this point following them. One of the legal processes that all U.S. states are obliged to follow is to make sure foreign nations (legal or otherwise) have access to communication with their consulates/embassies when taken into custody.
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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Do you mean in general? Because, generally speaking, one can be here legally without being a citizen,
    You figured that one out all by yourself?

    and generally speaking there is such a thing as dual citizenship.

    And, specifically speaking, there should not be a dual citizenship for the United States. A man either chooses to sever his prior allegiences when he becomes a US citizen, or he chooses to not become a citizen.

    Which, by the way, is totally beside the point and you're deliberately making those flatulent non-sequitur noises because there's this little thing you're not mentioning about illegal aliens arrested for being in the country illegally.

    They're not US citizens.

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