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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Brewer smashed two targets with one stone.
    Obama administration and bitch slapped Hillary so hard it makes a serious dent in any challenge for the presidency. She doesn't stand for upholding the law and defending our borders and thinks so little of our laws she cites them as against human rights.

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    Most countries require that BOTH citizens and foreigners carry identification. The US does not. Why Arizona is somehow singled out for requiring foreigners to carry identification is simply political grand standing that is capitalizing off ignorance and false accusations of racism.

    The fact of the matter is that an overwelming majority of Arizonan's support this law because they have been informed of what it actually says and does. This law is supported by both hispanic Arizonans (a majority ethnicity in our state) and non-hispanic Arizonans.
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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I like Boo... me thinks he is a Republican dressing up as a Democrat.
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    Post 911 the world was introduced to "connect the dots". On 911 they claimed we didn't, now the Libs claim we shouldn't have.
    Make up your ****ing minds.

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    Well at least you admit the UN is corrupt (you could have added... to the core).
    So, we kow tow on human rights to a corrupt body for upholding the laws of the land and protecting our borders and citizens. That was Jan Brewer's point.

    Thanks Boo.


    Note to Boo. Bush 43 went in and got their support. Unanimous vote. He gave Saddam one last chance to come clean. As Hans Blix reported... this didn't happen.

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    And no, the UN can't stop us, but Democrats who hand over foreign policy as Clinton had... stop us.
    The yellow bellied, corrupt to the core pervert.

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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Brewer smashed two targets with one stone.
    Obama administration and bitch slapped Hillary so hard it makes a serious dent in any challenge for the presidency. She doesn't stand for upholding the law and defending our borders and thinks so little of our laws she cites them as against human rights.

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    So, largely what Brewer said was, "Wait, you're gonna turn me in for crimes against humanity? But I'm an American, you're not supposed to write reports about what I do! Go complain about human rights in China or something!"

    Bloody hypocrite.

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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Does the ICJ supersede the US court system in regards to US law?


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    No, but it IS an arbiter of international law, and treaty obligations that the United States voluntarily enters into comes under the scope of international law. The U.S. insists on the same rights when U.S. citizens are held overseas. The U.S. not holding to its end of the international agreements it signed on to makes it more difficult for the U.S. to make the case overseas.
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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    And did the US directly violate their ability to contact their consulate? Or did they never ask?
    The U.S. is obligated to inform the foreign consulate and to facilitate contact. If the German consulate did not know he was in custody and the suspect did not know he had these rights, it would be very difficult for either to insist on its implementation. There is previous case law establishing the responsibility of the host state to inform the consulate/embassy of the sending state if they have a national in custody.
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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    To be usurped, the US would have to have been forced into the agreement. If the US volutarily signed the treaty, the US has not been usurped. And once signing a treaty, that is the law the US should live by.

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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    To be usurped, the US would have to have been forced into the agreement. If the US volutarily signed the treaty, the US has not been usurped. And once signing a treaty, that is the law the US should live by.
    As I understand it any treaty that puts a law into effect within the US MUST be ratified by congress. The president can't do it alone.

    There have been cases in the past where a president has signed a treaty but congress does not ratify it. This pretty much nullifies the treaty.
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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    So, largely what Brewer said was, "Wait, you're gonna turn me in for crimes against humanity? But I'm an American, you're not supposed to write reports about what I do! Go complain about human rights in China or something!"

    Bloody hypocrite.
    Then again, there's the minor problem that the Arizona law is not only 100% compatible with the United States Constitution, it's 100% compatible with extant federal law, and there is NO violation of civil or human rights embodied in that law.

    So much for your senseless rant.

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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Except in this case, the ICJ was just noting the obligation the U.S. has to allow consulate/embassy personnel to contact their citizens if charged or undergoing court procedures that is borne out of a treaty the U.S. is party to and it itself insists on when Americans are imprisoned in foreign countries. This is not the only time this has happened in the U.S. and it jeopardizes the ability of the U.S. to gain access to U.S. citizens in foreign countries. Texas did the same with Mexican nationals. This is a violation of U.S. treaty commitments.
    I agree with this fully.

    EVERY person arrested for deportation as a illegal alien should be allowed to be visited by officials from his nation's embassy.

    That fact that officials from a foreign nation officially recognized the prisoner as their citizen is evidence that the prisoner is indeed in the nation illegally and that person can then be shipped out the next day.

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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But let's not forget the point. Corru[tion is not limited tothe UN. In fact,the UN is made up of nations, of which we are a part. And we contribute to some of that corruption. What seems to make most American's most angry, it seems to me, is that the UN hasn't always done exactly what we tell them to do. And as we all know, that makes the UN very, very evil.
    You're right.

    The UN should be saved from corruption by the US. The US should immediately withdraw from the UN and the UN should be immediately relocated to a place more appropriate for it's members, like Mogadishu.

    I just love your efforts at moral equivalency.

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