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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I'm forced to agree... I don't see what the UN has to do with this, especially given that the court decision is still pending.
    This just proves how much of a wimp Obama is... goes crying to the UN that he can't handle his own citizens...

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    It would keep on going. The United Nations is an international organization whose goals are cooperation, law, and pressing for human rights, among others. While it's understandable that you view America as so incredibly powerful and influential that all international organizations would fail if we didn't partipate, it's not correct. In addition, it's arguable that we'd more likely lose a lot of influence by doing such a thing.
    Yes, that's exactly what the UN is all about on the surface. They are far more corrupt then any representative that's been elected on average... they are a political organization, in the sense how politicians will answer questions without ever actually answering the questions... and so, even in the face of denial Bush simply circumvented the UN and attacked Iraq on phony intelligence and "My way and I kill you anyway" level diplomacy skills.

    I could go further, but someone else put it succinctly enough... the UN is a cesspit of corruption.

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    Let's assume you are correct that black market oil brought in more revenues. Once again, the UN failed, as did our president at the time (Clinton) and the press.
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    Eventually a price is paid for incompetence and corruption. Someone has to deal with the harsh realities at some point... and that task landed on Bush 43's desk.
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    Are you kidding, if anything Bush was finishing daddies war. That's why it required so much flawed intelligence, and all sorts of other things that will just detract...

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    And no, the UN can't stop us, but Democrats who hand over foreign policy as Clinton had... stop us.
    The yellow bellied, corrupt to the core pervert.

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    This is not a left - right issue... this is a pro-war / anti-war issue.

    No, Bush was reported to have had diplomatic talks where you can literally paraphrase as : If you don't prove a negative instantly we're going to bomb you... after how many years of sanctions the people were mostly defeated before they started shock and awe... and every few years they shift things around claim the war is over and move on.

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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Read the link. It notes the problems with that interpretation of what happened.
    I read the link. However, the US signed the treaty and is obligated to abide by it under international law. The US is also a party to the ICJ, which has jurisdiction in such cases...
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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, just because someone grows weary of the same nonsense over and over again is not a nerve being touched. And I was never asked whether I supported a treaty, but if we sign one, if we sign an agreement, just like when you and I sign agreements, do you think we have no obligation to what we sign? And if I sign a anagreement with you, will you accept me saying your usurping my soverngeny when I don't want to do it?

    Please, stay with the confines of the issue we're addressing. No diversions. No snipe hunts. No silliness.

    Good grief. Ok, we will do it your way. Joe, do you think that the US should sign the Land of the Sea Treaty? And why?


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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I read the link. However, the US signed the treaty and is obligated to abide by it under international law. The US is also a party to the ICJ, which has jurisdiction in such cases...
    Does the ICJ supersede the US court system in regards to US law?


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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Good grief. Ok, we will do it your way. Joe, do you think that the US should sign the Land of the Sea Treaty? And why?


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    haven't looked into it much, but what has this to do with us being usurped?

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    If we make an agreement, we are being usurped. This is the issue we're discussing. Unless you can show me how us agreeing or disagreeing to something is equal to being usurped, I fail to see the importace of your question to this topic and can't figure out why your so intent on diverting the discussion.

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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I read the link. However, the US signed the treaty and is obligated to abide by it under international law. The US is also a party to the ICJ, which has jurisdiction in such cases...
    And did the US directly violate their ability to contact their consulate? Or did they never ask?

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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Brewer smashed two targets with one stone.
    Obama administration and bitch slapped Hillary so hard it makes a serious dent in any challenge for the presidency. She doesn't stand for upholding the law and defending our borders and thinks so little of our laws she cites them as against human rights.

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    This article is incredibly one sided. I didn't learn anything from this article besides the AZ governor's opinion.

    Not sure if it is the intent behind Washington's mention of this legal challenge to the U.N., but I think it is appropriate to bring it up to show the world how civilized we are when it comes to disagreements, compared to some countries where the people threaten, attack or kill each other over their disagreements. Disagree with either side all you want... but the fact that we're not cutting each other's throats over this (or really any other) issue shows our civility.
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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I only wish that the Arizona law had included a portion of the law thatt would have put Officials from sanctuary Cities in jail for 2 years, if they don't act within 30 days to publicly announce they will begin to enforce the Federal and State laws. This would have driven the Muslim in Chief nuts.
    That would've constituted a bill of attainder, which is unConstitutional.
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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Fun fact: This thread, which started off being about the governor of AZ squaring off against the State Department, is now about how evil the UN is and how much better off we'd be (or, how much worse off the UN would be) if we left it.

    Well, that made for a rather effective distraction!


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    Re: Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Are you kidding, if anything Bush was finishing daddies war. That's why it required so much flawed intelligence, and all sorts of other things that will just detract...
    This is pretty lame. Finishing Daddies War.
    The intel may have been flawed, but the UN, Germany, France, Russia, The Brits, all agreed he had WMD.
    Clinton sent Cohen to inform the people about WMD.
    Top Dems including Clinton/Gore warned about Saddam's threat and WMD... years before Bush set foot in office.
    After 911, the world change. Bush went to the corrupt UN and got a unanimous vote in the Sec. Council.
    Saddam didn't fulfill his obligation after 12-years and 17 resolutions.

    This is not a left - right issue... this is a pro-war / anti-war issue.
    Pro war, anti-war is left vs. right.
    Check the record during the past 40-years.

    No, Bush was reported to have had diplomatic talks where you can literally paraphrase as : If you don't prove a negative instantly we're going to bomb you... after how many years of sanctions the people were mostly defeated before they started shock and awe... and every few years they shift things around claim the war is over and move on.
    Hans Blix stated Saddam was continuing playing games. He was not cooperating. He believed he had weaponized VX and Anthrax.
    Mistakenly... Saddam thought Bush was as weak as Clinton, and perhaps believed he had bought off the corrupt UN.

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