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    Re: 2 NY legislators want eggs vaccinated

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    You prefer - "we're not going to bother testing our product, just pay us for our ****ty eggs and enjoy your medical bills"?
    Dude. Gov't can't save you from every danger in life. So there was an outbreak, the food got recalled, end of story. The waste of resources, the cost and the possibility of success for this "vaccination" program... is it really worth it? Will it really protect folks?
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    Re: 2 NY legislators want eggs vaccinated

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I agree to a large extent. They just announced that they would be doing a lot more inspections on factory egg farms. Which I don't really mind too much. But, since the salmonella was allegedly in the feed that was used, what's the point other then political gain? It would make much more sense to inspect the feed producers.
    It's not different then when a shooting happens and someone proposes a new gun control law. As if that would have stopped the shooting.
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    Re: 2 NY legislators want eggs vaccinated

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    This is why I already spend the extra for local farm-raised, cage-free, natural nest eggs.

    Yeah. I could spend $1 per carton and risk salmonella. Or I could spend an extra $1.50 a week to completely be (mostly) worry-free from such concerns.
    Perhaps I should start looking into that.
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    Re: 2 NY legislators want eggs vaccinated

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's not different then when a shooting happens and someone proposes a new gun control law. As if that would have stopped the shooting.
    Although i think the idea is stupid. Your point doesn't match in the sense that this is a vaccine which prevents salmonella, whereas a gun control law indeed cannot prevent someone from getting a gun.
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    Re: 2 NY legislators want eggs vaccinated

    Why don't we just use standard liberal logic here:

    Chickens and products of chickens are hazardous to our health, therefore they need to be banned. Ban all consumption of chicken meat, products and other poultry products because they may contain salmonella, could (in the future) raise a strain of "bird flu" to cause an epidemic, etc.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 2 NY legislators want eggs vaccinated

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    This is what I love about this issue - I have friends in this town (and we're in the same town) with whom I disagree politically, but we agree on this. It's time to take our food back.
    I completely agree with you. Not only that, but the farming industry has become just that, an industry. There are hardly any independent farming families anymore, and most farmers are forced to buy equipment from their company that keeps them in debt and forced to work for them. Our livestock is raised in unsanitary conditions, our farmers are abused, and the farming companies ultimately make big dollars at the expense of our health, food quality, and the lives of farmers. If you haven't seen it yet, watch Food Inc. It was a real eye opener for me and I think you would enjoy the documentary.

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I would be willing to bet that even some farm raised cage free chickens were exposed to the same feed that was found to be the culprit of the salmonella. You're just fooling yourself to to think hat salmonella can't occur.
    Typically they are fed better, and they are free roaming, not standing around. No one promises that the cage free chickens are salmonella free, but they are far less likely to have it. Studies have shown that free roaming chickens produce healthier eggs. Caged chickens are raised with almost no space for them. Many die, and their dead bodies are left rotting on the ground until a farmer can pick it out and remove it.
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    Re: 2 NY legislators want eggs vaccinated

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    See. To those of you who use political points in EVERY topic - here's 2 people in the same town saying that we agree on one thing.
    2 halfwits don't make a whole wit.....

    Practicallly everythling we eat starts out dirty...gets harvested dirty, gets processed dirty, and so on. No matter how much food processors try to keep it clean, there is still a risk of contamination. But there is a way to safely consume our food, it is called COOKING it.....

    There has always been one very important ingredient that we must add when preparing our food, and that is common sense.
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    Re: 2 NY legislators want eggs vaccinated

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Typically they are fed better, and they are free roaming, not standing around. No one promises that the cage free chickens are salmonella free, but they are far less likely to have it. Studies have shown that free roaming chickens produce healthier eggs. Caged chickens are raised with almost no space for them. Many die, and their dead bodies are left rotting on the ground until a farmer can pick it out and remove it.
    Maybe they are sometimes fed better, sometimes not. However, being out of a cage, or whatever other benefits you perceive from free range chickens, is not going to prevent the transmission of salmonella that is contained in the feed.

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    Re: 2 NY legislators want eggs vaccinated

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I completely agree with you. Not only that, but the farming industry has become just that, an industry. There are hardly any independent farming families anymore, and most farmers are forced to buy equipment from their company that keeps them in debt and forced to work for them. Our livestock is raised in unsanitary conditions, our farmers are abused, and the farming companies ultimately make big dollars at the expense of our health, food quality, and the lives of farmers. If you haven't seen it yet, watch Food Inc. It was a real eye opener for me and I think you would enjoy the documentary.


    Typically they are fed better, and they are free roaming, not standing around. No one promises that the cage free chickens are salmonella free, but they are far less likely to have it. Studies have shown that free roaming chickens produce healthier eggs. Caged chickens are raised with almost no space for them. Many die, and their dead bodies are left rotting on the ground until a farmer can pick it out and remove it.
    They die in their cages and then rot on the ground? Got a link to any of those "studies" ?
    Fact is, to provide eggs in the quantities that the public demands, caged chickens is the only way to go. Otherwise, the chicken ranch would have to be substantially larger. And the farmers would have to hire thousands of illegal aliens to go on a massive easter egg hunt all day every day....
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    Re: 2 NY legislators want eggs vaccinated

    Yes, why not vaccinate our eggs? That would be right in line with everything else.

    1) Massive antibiotics in our meat.

    2) Hormones in our meat and milk.

    3) Recombinant DNA gene splices in our farmed salmon.

    4) Roundup ready genetically modified corn.

    5) Cereals fortified with sugar, sugar, sugar.

    6) Vitamins added to vegetables to make up for the vitamins leeched out during processing.

    7) Preservatives added to just about everything. One preservative is the same ingredient used in antifreeze.

    8) Animals crammed into spaces so small that they literally wallow in their own crap.

    9) Water with traces of chemical fertilizers, pesticides, and other noxious materials.

    10) 2,000 calorie hamburgers at the local fast food places.

    And there is much more. So let me ask you a question, but first, take a look around and see all the fat people, the young boys who are growing boobs, all the hyperactive kids with ADS, the rampant cancer and heart attacks, and the generally unhealthy. Now the question - With all the crap that is being put into our food, you don't somehow see a connection?

    So whose fault is it? The corporate farmers who are doing whatever it takes to maximize their profits? No, it isn't. The fault lies with the American people, who won't take the time to look for healthier choices, and healthier choices are out there, and right in front of our noses. All we have to do is stop purchasing our food out of laziness, and do what our grandmothers and grandfathers did - Buy free range meats and raw vegetables at the local co-ops, and then invest in some pots and pans instead of throwing containers of chemicals into the microwave.

    There is something else about the junk we eat that is called food. It is addictive, and it is addictive because of all the sugar and chemicals that are being added to them. Breaking the addiction to fast food and junk food is no different than breaking the addiction to alcohol, cigarettes, or even heroin. It's called cold turkey. You will have cravings for a while, but eventually, they will go away, and then you will be preparing meals that even a skid row wino, in the final stages of malnutrition, might take a passing interest in. And there is an added bonus - You will live longer, and that life will be one of quality, not spent in a rest home, with drool running down your face. What's not to like about that? But first, you must like yourself enough to treat yourself like a human being instead of just a dollar sign, because that is exactly what the food corporations see you as. They don't give a damn if you get sick, just as long as you keep spending your money on them. YOU are the one who is going to have to give a damn. I give a damn because, damn it, I am worth it.

    Here's a big, fat middle finger to the factory farming corporations. Go find yourselves another sucker, sucka'.

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