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    Re: NEWSWEEK Poll: Democrats May Not Be Headed for Midterm Bloodbath

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    link?
    A link for what? You want a link to explain how a law is passed? Fine, here:



    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof
    meanwhile, in THE NEWS:

    health secty---reeducation is called for

    Sebelius: Time for 'Reeducation' on Obama Health Care Law - The Note

    but, concerning obamacare "democratic candidates are being instructed to promote their independence from the party and from capitol hill," ie, don't talk about it

    CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Republicans making health care bill a midterm wedge issue - Blogs from CNN.com

    nor their "legislative accomplishments"

    Endangered Dems quiet on key votes - Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

    herndon, which "coordinates" for the seiu, aflcio, la raza, moveon and others, "abandons claims that [obamacare] will reduce costs and the deficit and instead stresses a promise to 'improve it.'"

    Dems retreat on health care cost pitch - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

    hcan, meanwhile, works to reward its supporters---by "changing the subject"

    Health reform group aids campaigns - Sarah Kliff - POLITICO.com

    kind of a pinch, no?

    surviving dems will join gop house leadership in undoing the mandate

    an excellent start
    You can spin it however you like, but the fact is that it's already a law, and there is absolutely no way in hell that the Republicans are going to get a supermajority in the Senate AND control of the House of Representatives AND control of the White House before it takes effect in 2014. It's just not going to happen. But if you want to tilt at windmills, be my guest.
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    Re: NEWSWEEK Poll: Democrats May Not Be Headed for Midterm Bloodbath

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You can spin it however you like
    LOL!

    abc, cnn and politico are my spin?

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    Re: NEWSWEEK Poll: Democrats May Not Be Headed for Midterm Bloodbath

    NEWSWEEK Poll: Democrats May Not Be Headed for Midterm Bloodbath

    I agree completely. The Democrats should rest easy and not waste time and energy going ot the polls in November. They've got it in the bag.

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    Re: NEWSWEEK Poll: Democrats May Not Be Headed for Midterm Bloodbath

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    A link for what? You want a link to explain how a law is passed? Fine, here:





    You can spin it however you like, but the fact is that it's already a law, and there is absolutely no way in hell that the Republicans are going to get a supermajority in the Senate AND control of the House of Representatives AND control of the White House before it takes effect in 2014. It's just not going to happen. But if you want to tilt at windmills, be my guest.
    They don't have to.

    All they have to do is control the House Ways and Means Committee and the House Appropriations Committee and oh, gee, if the bill isn't funded, the bill dies.

    It's really that simple.

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    Re: NEWSWEEK Poll: Democrats May Not Be Headed for Midterm Bloodbath

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    They don't have to.

    All they have to do is control the House Ways and Means Committee and the House Appropriations Committee and oh, gee, if the bill isn't funded, the bill dies.

    It's really that simple.
    Wrong. Only DISCRETIONARY spending needs to be funded by Congress each year. ENTITLEMENT spending, which comprises the vast majority of the health care reform law, does not require any vote from Congress. It happens automatically. Congress would need to repeal it if they wanted to defund it. At most, all the Republicans can do is not vote to fund some small, non-controversial sections within the law which are discretionary spending.
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    Re: NEWSWEEK Poll: Democrats May Not Be Headed for Midterm Bloodbath

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    LOL!

    abc, cnn and politico are my spin?
    Political pundits spin stories because they need to get people excited so they have an audience. What's YOUR excuse?
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    Re: NEWSWEEK Poll: Democrats May Not Be Headed for Midterm Bloodbath

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Wrong. Only DISCRETIONARY spending needs to be funded by Congress each year. ENTITLEMENT spending, which comprises the vast majority of the health care reform law, does not require any vote from Congress. It happens automatically. Congress would need to repeal it if they wanted to defund it. At most, all the Republicans can do is not vote to fund some small, non-controversial sections within the law which are discretionary spending.
    That may be.

    And when the Congress refuses to raise the taxes to fund the unconstitutional entitlements?

    Not to mention that your asssumption that a supermajority will be needed in the Senate to repeal that monstrocity is flawed, as is your assumption that such a majority can't happen.

    As the nation continues to orbit the porcelain funnel, the nation will continue to move away from the failed policies of the past that got us into the fix. That means the Democrats are going to losing more than just this next election, because it's their socialist policies that have failed.

    Messiahcare was passed against the will of 60% of the people by the use of bribes and parliamentary tricks. A damn good argument can be made that the law is unconstitutional simply because the legislators didn't read the damn thing before they voted for it. Opposition to MessiahCare has grown since then, and it isn't going to fade as it's economic impact becomes felt.

    Explain the Constitutionality of an entitlement spending plan for a program that itself violates the Constitution.

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    Re: NEWSWEEK Poll: Democrats May Not Be Headed for Midterm Bloodbath

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    That may be.

    And when the Congress refuses to raise the taxes to fund the unconstitutional entitlements?
    Then we'll borrow money. Do you understand the concept of deficit spending? Where have you been for the past ten years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Not to mention that your asssumption that a supermajority will be needed in the Senate to repeal that monstrocity is flawed,
    Oh, you think the Republicans will nuke the filibuster as soon as they get a majority? Unlikely, as they don't want the Democrats doing the same thing when they're back in power. But even if that were the case, it would just delay health care a few more years. As soon as the Democrats came back to power, they'd just pass it again, this time without the constraint of the filibuster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    as is your assumption that such a majority can't happen.
    It is absolutely, positively not going to happen. The Republicans currently control 41 Senate seats. They need 60. That means that between this year and 2012, they'd need to pick up a total of 19 seats (as well as a majority of the House of Representatives and the presidency). It's just not going to happen, and you have to REALLY be deluding yourself to think otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    As the nation continues to orbit the porcelain funnel, the nation will continue to move away from the failed policies of the past that got us into the fix. That means the Democrats are going to losing more than just this next election, because it's their socialist policies that have failed.

    Ah yes, of course. The voters have seen the errors of their ways and are permanently going to realign and see the world exactly as you see it...starting right now. Why, that may be the first time I've ever heard anyone ever make that claim before! I'm sure that the track record on those kind of claims is flawless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Messiahcare was passed against the will of 60% of the people by the use of bribes and parliamentary tricks. A damn good argument can be made that the law is unconstitutional simply because the legislators didn't read the damn thing before they voted for it. Opposition to MessiahCare has grown since then, and it isn't going to fade as it's economic impact becomes felt.
    Two points to make here:
    1) The Constitution contains no provision requiring legislators to read bills before they pass them.
    2) Sure, you can find polls saying 60% of people oppose the health care law, but how many of them actually give a damn? The reason the Democrats are in trouble right now is because unemployment is at 9.5%, not because they passed health care reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Explain the Constitutionality of an entitlement spending plan for a program that itself violates the Constitution.
    The Supreme Court has consistently upheld the constitutionality of entitlement programs for at least 75 years, and this one won't be any different.
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    Re: NEWSWEEK Poll: Democrats May Not Be Headed for Midterm Bloodbath

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    Re: NEWSWEEK Poll: Democrats May Not Be Headed for Midterm Bloodbath

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    NEWSWEEK Poll: Democrats May Not Be Headed for Midterm Bloodbath

    I agree completely. The Democrats should rest easy and not waste time and energy going ot the polls in November. They've got it in the bag.
    Newsweek misreported their own poll.... They lied!

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