Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

Hatuey said:

Next you'll be telling us that stopping gays from marrying has something to do with teh childrun.

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They've been doing that for awhile.

zimmer said:

Come November, why not consider voting Republican?

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Because they are as much full of **** like the Democrats. Its giving an alcoholic another drink because he says that it will be his last one.

Grant said:

It was a Republican who ended the Vietnam War, of course.

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Other than Ron Paul who in the Republican party now is anti-interventionism? They are just as pro-perpetual war as much as the Democrats.

Grant said:

I can see why some Blacks would support the Democrats out of sympathy for JFK and Bobby Kennedy but not almost 50 years later. There are other issues which have arisen since then.

Yes, the South did change from solid Democrat to Republican but that could also be construed as them being eager to get rid of their racist past and start afresh with new beginnings. I believe that's been the attitude of the South since then, though remnants remain.

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Dude I don't know how you're getting this "Democrats were the racists" idea here. Go look at the numbers posted by Your Star again

Jucon said:

How is that abundently clear? Northern democrats were strongly in favor.

It was a North / South thing, as Your Star said.

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Grant said:

Yes, I agree that the Democrats wanted nothing to do with Lincoln because of the Slave issue, and of course those sentiments carried through to the very recent past. Only with the death of Robert Byrd is the old guard finally disappearing.

While you are obviously keen to make this a North/South issue, and thats fine, it is really a Republican versus Democrat issue and, even according to your own post, it was the Democrats who were the racists, disavowing Lincoln's struggles until just recently. A million excuses won't change the facts.

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Your right. A million excuses won't change facts. Here are the facts.
Southern Democrats in Congress voted 8-107
Southern Republicans in Congress voted 0-11
Northern Democrats in Congress voted 190-10
Northern Republicans in Congress voted 165-29
It was a North/South thing, and if you can't see that by now, then your obviously ignoring facts, and history.

texmaster said:

How? There was never an intention to extend the right to marry based on race to sexual preference which is the decesion he cited. Why even have ammendments if you can reintrepret law clearly not intended for what you are arguing?

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It seems that the idea of marriage since the Constitution was first drawn up has undergone some huge changes. Now we have quickie divorces, as well as marriages, living together that can often be ruled as marriage, with the entire institution becoming regarded as not a very serious thing.

So I say why not gay marriage? It's not as though heterosexuals have kept the institution respected and sacred.

If two men (or women) love each other then allow them to make the same sincere attempt at long term public happiness and commitment as the rest of us do, witnessed by friends and made secure by the same legal documents that the heterosexuals use. They'll probably share in the same difficulties, and frequent joy, the rest of us have. We shoud wish them the same happiness, and good luck, that everyone else seeks.

TurtleDude said:

the GOP has trouble appealing to people who see the government as their savior and whose leaders feel a need to blame racism for their peoples's troubles. THe dems have spent 80 years making many minorities the dependent wards of the state and their strategy has paid off in lock step voting patterns of those so addicted to handouts

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And you don't think it's a little off to say that minorities depend on handouts? I mean, my friend Carolyn (a movie producer), my friend Ama (whose parents are both doctors), my friend Robert (a veteran and cab driver) who are all black and all vote Democrat (none of whom receive handouts) would disagree with you.

It's a bit insulting that you picture minorities that way.

Do you really believe that most minorities are living on handouts? Seriously?

Grant said:

It seems that the idea of marriage since the Constitution was first drawn up has undergone some huge changes. Now we have quickie divorces, as well as marriages, living together that can often be ruled as marriage, with the entire institution becoming regarded as not a very serious thing.

So I say why not gay marriage? It's not as though heterosexuals have kept the institution respected and sacred.

If two men (or women) love each other then allow them to make the same sincere attempt at long term public happiness and commitment as the rest of us do, witnessed by friends and made secure by the same legal documents that the heterosexuals use. They'll probably share in the same difficulties, and frequent joy, the rest of us have. We shoud wish them the same happiness, and good luck, that everyone else seeks.

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For some reason the "thanks" link wasn't there. But anyway, Thanks!

Your Star said:

Your right. A million excuses won't change facts. Here are the facts.
Southern Democrats in Congress voted 8-107
Southern Republicans in Congress voted 0-11
Northern Democrats in Congress voted 190-10
Northern Republicans in Congress voted 165-29
It was a North/South thing, and if you can't see that by now, then your obviously ignoring facts, and history.

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Your Star, make it a North/South thing. I really don't care.

But the South was racist Democrat, not racist Republican. That's the point.

It was the Democrats who were the racist party, and had been since the days of Lincoln. That they were from the North, South, East or West is by the by.

Grant said:

Your Star, make it a North/South thing. I really don't care.

But the South was racist Democrat, not racist Republican. That's the point.

It was the Democrats who were the racist party, and had been since the days of Lincoln. That they were from the North, South, East or West is by the by.

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Southern Democrats were racist, but Northern Democrats weren't. Thats the point. To call Democrats the racist party isn't accurate. And all 11 republicans from the south voted against the Civil Rights Act, so it wasn't that every republican wasn't a racist, like I said, it was a South/North divide. Plain, and simple, and all the facts point to that conclusion.

Harry Guerrilla said:

I'm an American and I don't get it either.
If anything my honor has increased.

I trained it to level 5.

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If they wouldn't cap honor, I could get all my gear the day it was available!

pbrauer said:

So, according to you, minorities want to be dependent and not work?

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want has nothing to do with it

generations of dependency is a hard history to shake

tell me why the children of holocaust survivors or the vietnam civil war are far more likely to be Ivy Phi Beta Kappas or Stanford law and medical students than American Blacks? Why do the children of poor Asians test much higher than middle to upper class blacks?

TurtleDude said:

the GOP has trouble appealing to people who see the government as their savior and whose leaders feel a need to blame racism for their peoples's troubles. THe dems have spent 80 years making many minorities the dependent wards of the state and their strategy has paid off in lock step voting patterns of those so addicted to handouts

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You do realize the majority of the people on welfare are white and live in the south?

The GOP has spent many years appealing to evangelicals and religious conservatives. The one-issue voter--abortion, gay marriage. They like their handouts plenty around the bible belt. Don't kid yourself and stop drinkin' the red kool-aide.

Barbbtx said:

Beck is a humble man.

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There must be more than one Glenn Beck.

Grant said:

Dd anyone ever discover which community he organized?

How's it doin'?

Did he do for that community what's he's done for the entire country?

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3.What Did Obama Do As A Community Organizer? - Article - National ... [New Window]
Chicago — Barack Obama often cites his time as a community organizer here in Chicago as one of the experiences that qualify him to hold the nation's highest ...
What Did Obama Do As A Community Organizer? - Article - National Review Online

Community organizing is most identified with the left-wing Chicago activist Saul Alinsky (1909-72), who pretty much defined the profession. In his classic book, Rules for Radicals, Alinsky wrote that a successful organizer should be “an abrasive agent to rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; to fan latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expressions.” Once such hostilities were “whipped up to a fighting pitch,” Alinsky continued, the organizer steered his group toward confrontation, in the form of picketing, demonstrating, and general hell-raising. At first, the organizer tackled small stuff, like demanding the repair of streetlights in a city park; later, when the group gained confidence, the organizer could take on bigger targets. But at all times, the organizer’s goal was not to lead his people anywhere, but to encourage them to take action on their own behalf.
Barack had been very inspired by the civil-rights movement,” Jerry Kellman, the organizer who hired Obama, told me recently. “I felt that he wanted to work in the civil-rights movement, but he was ten years too late, and this was the closest he could find to it at the time.” Obama, in his memoir, put it more simply when he said he went to Chicago to “organize black folks.”

FilmFestGuy said:

And you don't think it's a little off to say that minorities depend on handouts? I mean, my friend Carolyn (a movie producer), my friend Ama (whose parents are both doctors), my friend Robert (a veteran and cab driver) who are all black and all vote Democrat (none of whom receive handouts) would disagree with you.

It's a bit insulting that you picture minorities that way.

Do you really believe that most minorities are living on handouts? Seriously?

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so why do they vote dem?

hazlnut said:

You do realize the majority of the people on welfare are white and live in the south?

The GOP has spent many years appealing to evangelicals and religious conservatives. The one-issue voter--abortion, gay marriage. They like their handouts plenty around the bible belt. Don't kid yourself and stop drinkin' the red kool-aide.

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any proof of that-for years the people with the highest percentages on welfare were black but through sheer numbers there were more whites on welfare. I thought that finally changed a few years ago.

I have no use for bible thumpers but they don't cost me money or infringe on the rights I tend to cherish the most

Redress said:

Please show me where that right is written down.

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Seriously? Don't go there. Your getting petty.

Where is the right to be hired based on race and not merit?

Where is the right to a home you cant afford, free money to pay for that home, free money to pay for food?

Show me where these rights are written down!

Redress said:

1) The Declaration of Independence is not the law of the land.

2) It does not say you have a basic right to the job of your choice.

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2. It does not say you have a basic right to get a job you don't qualify for because your employer is forced to hire a quota of racial minorities.

Your Star said:

So you can be a drug dealer?

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Don't be racist.

EnigmaO01 said:

For every example of a black man with those problems you list I can find an example of white trash with the same problems. It's socio-economic class not race that causes problems.

I.e. there are very few blacks in my area, however we have plenty of poor people, alcoholics, white drug addicts (meth), and breakins, even some murders etc etc Lots of deadbeat dads too. Not long ago we had a guy beat his 1 year old stepson to death. Guess what? He wasn't black.

Can you give us an example where the Civil Rights industry is making money? You're always asking for examples so it's only fair, but I won't be holding my breath.

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Don't be racist.

TurtleDude said:

any proof of that-for years the people with the highest percentages on welfare were black but through sheer numbers there were more whites on welfare. I thought that finally changed a few years ago.

I have no use for bible thumpers but they don't cost me money or infringe on the rights I tend to cherish the most

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General Characteristics

Whites are a slim plurality (not a majority).

The biggest factors are education, though. And note that 70% had recently worked, which disproves the theory of a massive dependent class. If anything, it proves that without education, it's hard to keep a consistant job.

TurtleDude said:

any proof of that-for years the people with the highest percentages on welfare were black but through sheer numbers there were more whites on welfare. I thought that finally changed a few years ago.

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That's only when you use the very limited definition of Welfare as food stamps and other urban programs. When you include all entitlement programs paid for with tax dollars... Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, Veterans' Administration programs, federal employee and military retirement plans, unemployment compensation, food stamps, and agricultural price support programs....

Whites outnumber blacks. I don't have current stats, but I'm looking.

The urban welfare mom was mostly a myth, a visual talking point. A small handful of women got caught taking advantage of the system. All safety net programs have the vulnerability points.

I have no use for bible thumpers but they don't cost me money or infringe on the rights I tend to cherish the most

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Bible thumpers, especially those in agricultural states, cost you a ton of money.

Please note -- I'm not trying to overgeneralize -- not all subsidized farmers are evangelicals, and not all Christian evangelicals take some form of welfare.

pbrauer said:

Southerners are still southerners, which party dominates the south NOW?

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I dunno, Democrats seem to have been running the Great State of North Carolina for at least the last decade........ :roll:

Your Star said:

Southern Democrats were racist, but Northern Democrats weren't. Thats the point. To call Democrats the racist party isn't accurate. And all 11 republicans from the south voted against the Civil Rights Act, so it wasn't that every republican wasn't a racist, like I said, it was a South/North divide. Plain, and simple, and all the facts point to that conclusion.

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Can we agree then that it is as unfair to label Republicans as Racist as it is to label Democrats as Racist?

And will you give the same argument in support of Republicans as you have for Democrats when the issue of Racism is raised?

It seems these 'racist' charges, as has those of 'bigot' etc. has gotten right out of hand.

Grant said:

Can we agree then that it is as unfair to label Republicans as Racist as it is to label Democrats as Racist?

And will you give the same argument in support of Republicans as you have for Democrats when the issue of Racism is raised?

It seems these 'racist' charges, as has those of 'bigot' etc. has gotten right out of hand.

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I agree, a party isn't racist. A person is.

Caine said:

Don't be racist.

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What the hell?

Your Star said:

I would say the modern republican party began with Reagan, and I would say the modern Democratic party with Clinton.

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oh, really?

no contemplation of rockefeller-goldwater, 64, the defining primary of 76?

no chicago, 68, no mcgovern, jimmy carter or dlc?

ah, the proper use of history...

thanks