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Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

I never said anything about making jobs. I'm saying that the government doesn't have the authority to kill jobs; certainly not for political reasons.

The do have a right to regulate commerce, which can effect jobs. Sorry, you are wrong in this.
 
I never said anything about making jobs. I'm saying that the government doesn't have the authority to kill jobs; certainly not for political reasons.

Drugs are illegal. Have been for a long time.

Look, in 2 consecutive post, you contradict yourself.
 
No, it's what I say to rhetoric. Got some specifics, we can talk, Repeat a standard talking point, why bother.

:lol: you realize that when many people say something, sometimes it's because it's true? :) even if you don't like it?
 
I think Beck made two strategic blunders with Saturday's event.

First, in terms of ole time country, Gospel revivalist, come back to Jesus, Bible-thumping, Christian Evangelical speeches Beck's was a pale imitation. He has neither the charisma nor the talent those traveling preachers of long American tradition have. You might disagree with that particular form of religion but you must give credit where credit is due, their adherents always come away entertained and thoroughly inspired. Beck packed in all the self improvement clichés imaginable but none of the holy spirit; it was one long, drawn out lecture that left the crowd in a stupor.

Second, the location shrunk Beck down to a spec. Two of the greatest American speech makers, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Abraham Lincoln, giants in our history, made Beck the present day dwarf. I don't think his very best speech on his very best day could possibly be in the vicinity of the occasions in which we remember MLK or Honest Abe. To be fair, who could? And by standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial where King gave his most famous speech, no matter what Beck did, he invited those comparisons, much to his disadvantage. It was a distraction from his purpose; an extra burden that overwhelmed what measure of talent and sincerity he does possess.
 
I think Beck made two strategic blunders with Saturday's event.

First, in terms of ole time country, Gospel revivalist, come back to Jesus, Bible-thumping, Christian Evangelical speeches Beck's was a pale imitation. He has neither the charisma nor the talent those traveling preachers of long American tradition have. You might disagree with that particular form of religion but you must give credit where credit is due, their adherents always come away entertained and thoroughly inspired. Beck packed in all the self improvement clichés imaginable but none of the holy spirit; it was one long, drawn out lecture that left the crowd in a stupor.

Second, the location shrunk Beck down to a spec. Two of the greatest American speech makers, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Abraham Lincoln, giants in our history, made Beck the present day dwarf. I don't think his very best speech on his very best day could possibly be in the vicinity of the occasions in which we remember MLK or Honest Abe. To be fair, who could? And by standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial where King gave his most famous speech, no matter what Beck did, he invited those comparisons, much to his disadvantage. It was a distraction from his purpose; an extra burden that overwhelmed what measure of talent and sincerity he does possess.

Two excellent points.

I don't know why I was worried for one second about the memories of Lincoln and MLK.

Beck and people like him can use those steps, but they will never be apart of them the MLK is.
 
IMHO, there was quite a lot of irony in Beck's rally being held on the day of King's "I have a dream speech", and on the very spot he gave that speech. There was a lot of talk about getting the government out of people's lives, and I liked that to quite an extent. However, this is where the irony kicks in. I remember Selma Alabama and Jackson Mississippi in the 1960's, when blacks were murdered and churches blown up because people wanted to exercise their constitutional right to vote, to get served at lunch counters, and to ride in the front of the bus. It was in that context that Martin Luther King made that famous speech, and in that speech, he was not advocating for less government, but for more government, in order to protect the rights of those who were being murdered and their churches blown up.

On this day in history, I very much respect the fact that Beck and Palin ran a good and peaceful show, and put out a great message of Americans coming together. I think Dr. King would have liked that. But let us also remember that, no matter how much we are against the government controlling our lives, there are pivotal times in history when government intervention is absolutely vital, in order to protect the rights of ALL Americans. Let us never forget what the civil rights struggle was really all about.

1. Government has the role of ensuring and defending our liberties. The Constitution/Bill of Rights sets the groundwork, the government ensures them.

2. Do you remember it was Democrats that ... ahem... have a long history of voting against black Americans rights?

In 1960, King was arrested for trespassing during a sit-in and held in Georgia's Reidsville prison. Fearing for his son's life, Martin Luther King Sr. appealed to presidential candidate John F. Kennedy to secure his release.

When King was freed, his father vowed to deliver 10 million votes to the Democrat, even though Kennedy was only a reluctant supporter of civil rights. That began four decades of black people voting for liberals.

Controversial Ad Links MLK, GOP - washingtonpost.com
It may have been the worst trade on behalf of the "community" and the country.

If I were running the RNC I would start running ads along these lines: There was a time when African Americans were largely Republican. Republicans have been at the forefront of the civil rights battle from Day 1. What have the Democrats done for you in the past 40 years? Government housing, the projects, now the ghetto's are rampant. Teen pregnancy is up. Unemployment is up. Blacks serving jail terms is up. High school drop outs are up. Violent crimes are up. Illegitimacy is up. All above societal norms. Your Democrat leaders meant well but failed. Come November, why not consider voting Republican?

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It may have been the worst trade on behalf of the "community" and the country.

If I were running the RNC I would start running ads along these lines: There was a time when African Americans were largely Republican. Republicans have been at the forefront of the civil rights battle from Day 1. What have the Democrats done for you in the past 40 years? Government housing, the projects, now the ghetto's are rampant. Teen pregnancy is up. Unemployment is up. Blacks serving jail terms is up. High school drop outs are up. Violent crimes are up. Illegitimacy is up. All above societal norms. Your Democrat leaders meant well but failed. Come November, why not consider voting Republican?

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Alright, this is beginning to really bug me. This is also a big reason why I don't like Beck, or respect Beck. Your using history, without context, and without using all of the facts to push a narrative that helps your political views today.
There was a difference between Southern Democrats, and Northern Democrats, hell there was a difference between Southern Republicans, and Northern Republicans. Your trying to paint a narrative that tells us that all republicans supported the Civil Rights Movement, which wasn't the case. If your going to use history, atleast use it correctly.
 
Alright, this is beginning to really bug me. This is also a big reason why I don't like Beck, or respect Beck. Your using history, without context, and without using all of the facts to push a narrative that helps your political views today.
There was a difference between Southern Democrats, and Northern Democrats, hell there was a difference between Southern Republicans, and Northern Republicans. Your trying to paint a narrative that tells us that all republicans supported the Civil Rights Movement, which wasn't the case. If your going to use history, atleast use it correctly.

Check the votes of who supported what from inception and get back to me.
I had this one with CC and was never heard from again after he was taken to school and then the woodshed.

I'd dig up the thread, but not today. You can have a go :)

And what great strides, tremendous accomplishments have the Democrats made for the 10 million votes delivered every four years? They've reigned over a period of decay with poverty pimps, race baiters as their leadership. One saying Obama should have his nuts cut out; did he not also use the N word? I don't think this is what MLK had in mind at any level. Close minded, robotic following, dependency on government, and all base elements of society in decay.

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I think Beck made two strategic blunders with Saturday's event.

First, in terms of ole time country, Gospel revivalist, come back to Jesus, Bible-thumping, Christian Evangelical speeches Beck's was a pale imitation. He has neither the charisma nor the talent those traveling preachers of long American tradition have. You might disagree with that particular form of religion but you must give credit where credit is due, their adherents always come away entertained and thoroughly inspired. Beck packed in all the self improvement clichés imaginable but none of the holy spirit; it was one long, drawn out lecture that left the crowd in a stupor.

Second, the location shrunk Beck down to a spec. Two of the greatest American speech makers, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Abraham Lincoln, giants in our history, made Beck the present day dwarf. I don't think his very best speech on his very best day could possibly be in the vicinity of the occasions in which we remember MLK or Honest Abe. To be fair, who could? And by standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial where King gave his most famous speech, no matter what Beck did, he invited those comparisons, much to his disadvantage. It was a distraction from his purpose; an extra burden that overwhelmed what measure of talent and sincerity he does possess.

What did you want? Maybe to come off arrogant and bigger than life, like Obama. Beck is a humble man.
 
When basic rights are taken away from American citizens, then our honor is at stake.

What rights are those? I'm mean it's only fair you are always asking for examples even if they were already given to you.

The only rights I saw taken away were just after 9/11 long before the present president came into the picture. You know that bill that got signed in the middle of the night that very few senators signed under the pretext of a big mushroom cloud blah blah blah.
 
What did you want? Maybe to come off arrogant and bigger than life, like Obama. Beck is a humble man.
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Beck is a jackass that runs his mouth... but hardly humble.

Wallace actually asked him some great questions this morning: "What's with the crying?"
 
What did you want? Maybe to come off arrogant and bigger than life, like Obama. Beck is a humble man.

OH MY GOD! A humble man who has his own TV show, beckons thousands to come and listen to him tell them what to do to bring "honor" back to America?

There is nothing more arrogant than being a TV talk show host. Especially one who tells people what to think.

How can you even mix up humility with anything that has to do with anyone in the gas-bag industry? Good God Almighty!
 
I think Beck made two strategic blunders with Saturday's event.

First, in terms of ole time country, Gospel revivalist, come back to Jesus, Bible-thumping, Christian Evangelical speeches Beck's was a pale imitation. He has neither the charisma nor the talent those traveling preachers of long American tradition have. You might disagree with that particular form of religion but you must give credit where credit is due, their adherents always come away entertained and thoroughly inspired. Beck packed in all the self improvement clichés imaginable but none of the holy spirit; it was one long, drawn out lecture that left the crowd in a stupor.

Second, the location shrunk Beck down to a spec. Two of the greatest American speech makers, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Abraham Lincoln, giants in our history, made Beck the present day dwarf. I don't think his very best speech on his very best day could possibly be in the vicinity of the occasions in which we remember MLK or Honest Abe. To be fair, who could? And by standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial where King gave his most famous speech, no matter what Beck did, he invited those comparisons, much to his disadvantage. It was a distraction from his purpose; an extra burden that overwhelmed what measure of talent and sincerity he does possess.

stupor?

LOL!

oh, i don't know that the funny guy who cries grew any in comparison to the preacher man or the rail splitter

but it's pretty clear the odd little dude in tennis shoes grew relative to beck, just turn on your tv

that is, his influence as a playa, as a force, certainly expanded saturday

and even on the friday preceding he was probably a bigger factor on the landscape than all of cnn and msnbc combined, for instance

beck's on to something, he's got his finger on the pulse of an awful lot of americans

ie, a movement

i'm surprised this needs to be pointed out

worry
 
Obama's drilling moratorium is killing jobs all along the gulf coast. What happened to our right to life, liberty and persuit of happiness? Is that not a basic value and a right?

The government doesn't have the authority to kill my job, while at the same time raising my taxes so as to spend the money saving someone else's.

Obama's drillings moratorium is your example? An executive in the executive branch is exercising his right to stop something temporarily he feels could be detrimental to the country and that's your example of individual rights suppression? I don't beleive in the moratorium either but this is a very lame example.

BTW he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. If he did not impose the moratorium he would have been criitcized too.

And one more thing; I'll bet if there had been a warning that the well that leaked, was in violation of saftety protocols, and Obama had production stopped you righties would have been also screaming bloody murder. In fact I don't think so, I know so.
 
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Beck is a jackass that runs his mouth... but hardly humble.

Wallace actually asked him some great questions this morning: "What's with the crying?"

Wallace is a good interviewer. He doesn't pander to anyone.

Beck is very humble. So what if he cries. He has feelings about things.
I'm trying to think of a JackAss. I'd guess I'd pick Ed Shultz. Glenn is nothing like that jerk.
 
As long as blacks are poor, on welfare, drug addicts, alcoholics and killing each other over tennis shoes, the Civil Rights Industry can make millions of dollars off that, every year

For every example of a black man with those problems you list I can find an example of white trash with the same problems. It's socio-economic class not race that causes problems.

I.e. there are very few blacks in my area, however we have plenty of poor people, alcoholics, white drug addicts (meth), and breakins, even some murders etc etc Lots of deadbeat dads too. Not long ago we had a guy beat his 1 year old stepson to death. Guess what? He wasn't black.

Can you give us an example where the Civil Rights industry is making money? You're always asking for examples so it's only fair, but I won't be holding my breath.
 
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If you're responding to me Prof I have no record of it. I put you on my ignore list a lot time ago.
 
Check the votes of who supported what from inception and get back to me.
I had this one with CC and was never heard from again after he was taken to school and then the woodshed.

I'd dig up the thread, but not today. You can have a go :)

The Civil Rights Act votes, divided by Southern, and Northern Representatives. (Southern Meaning the 11 states that formed the Confederate States of America)
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)
The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)

You were saying?
 
They stressed Christianity more than anything at the event. God is one thing, but focusing on Jesus isn't being very inclusive. w/e... I'm sure it was still pretty motivational for some.
 
The Civil Rights Act votes, divided by Southern, and Northern Representatives. (Southern Meaning the 11 states that formed the Confederate States of America)
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)
The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)

You were saying?

ELEVEN southern r's in BOTH houses

LOL!

and THAT's pretty much the point
 
OH MY GOD! A humble man who has his own TV show, beckons thousands to come and listen to him tell them what to do to bring "honor" back to America?

There is nothing more arrogant than being a TV talk show host. Especially one who tells people what to think.

How can you even mix up humility with anything that has to do with anyone in the gas-bag industry? Good God Almighty!

You can be rich, successful, have a TV and radio show and still be humble.
Now Obama could never be humble, even if he was dirt poor. He doesn't have it in him, and Beck doesn't have a spec of arrogance.
They are complete opposites.
 
And what great strides, tremendous accomplishments have the Democrats made for the 10 million votes delivered every four years? They've reigned over a period of decay with poverty pimps, race baiters as their leadership. One saying Obama should have his nuts cut out; did he not also use the N word? I don't think this is what MLK had in mind at any level. Close minded, robotic following, dependency on government, and all base elements of society in decay.

What on earth?

All base eleements of society are in decay?

The violent crime rate is lower today than it was in 1965: Why are violent crime rates falling? - washingtonpost.com

Divorce is up, sure - but Beck, Limbaugh, Gingrich, and all the others trying to tell us what to do, of course, account for a good number of those divorces, don't they?

In fact, compare the divorce rate of the reddest states in America and you'll see much higher rates of divorce than you'll find in most blue states.
Divorce Rate by state. Definition, graph and map.
(Note: I'll give Nevada some slack, since that's probably a bunch of people moving there for the quickie divorce).

If the Tea Party is so about restoring "honor", why are the states where they are most dominant (I know there are Tea Parties everywhere, but they hold the most power in Southern states, that's basically a given) so chock full of the dishonor of divorce - and why do the District of Columbia, Massachusetts, Illinois, and Pennsylvania have such low divorce rates?

Oh wait, let's just blame that on gays for wanting to marry.

Let's see: poverty

http://northshorejournal.org/LinkedImages//2009/09/Percent-of-people-in-poverty-for-2008.jpg

Yeh. It's been rising nearly every year since 2000, but even as we entered the Great Recession (which started December, 2007), we still have almost half the poverty rate we had in 1960.

Uh...Life expectancy has risen by nearly 10 years since the 1960s - FASTSTATS - Life Expectancy

Yeh - we've hit a pretty big economic bump (again, that started in 2007, NOT yesterday) - but since when do conservatives look at America and call it dishonorable and in decay - espcially in light of the facts that crime is down, we're healthier than we were, the poverty rate is half what it was in the 1960s.

Where is this decay of which you speak? Is it women not being as dependent on men? Is it that blacks can't be told what neighborhoods to live in legally? Is it because gays seek the same rights and responsibilities as others?

The only closed-minded, robotic following in DC this weekend occured on the mall when a 100,000+ people were at their favorite TV hosts Beck and call.
 
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