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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    I think Beck made two strategic blunders with Saturday's event.

    First, in terms of ole time country, Gospel revivalist, come back to Jesus, Bible-thumping, Christian Evangelical speeches Beck's was a pale imitation. He has neither the charisma nor the talent those traveling preachers of long American tradition have. You might disagree with that particular form of religion but you must give credit where credit is due, their adherents always come away entertained and thoroughly inspired. Beck packed in all the self improvement clichés imaginable but none of the holy spirit; it was one long, drawn out lecture that left the crowd in a stupor.

    Second, the location shrunk Beck down to a spec. Two of the greatest American speech makers, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Abraham Lincoln, giants in our history, made Beck the present day dwarf. I don't think his very best speech on his very best day could possibly be in the vicinity of the occasions in which we remember MLK or Honest Abe. To be fair, who could? And by standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial where King gave his most famous speech, no matter what Beck did, he invited those comparisons, much to his disadvantage. It was a distraction from his purpose; an extra burden that overwhelmed what measure of talent and sincerity he does possess.
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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I think Beck made two strategic blunders with Saturday's event.

    First, in terms of ole time country, Gospel revivalist, come back to Jesus, Bible-thumping, Christian Evangelical speeches Beck's was a pale imitation. He has neither the charisma nor the talent those traveling preachers of long American tradition have. You might disagree with that particular form of religion but you must give credit where credit is due, their adherents always come away entertained and thoroughly inspired. Beck packed in all the self improvement clichés imaginable but none of the holy spirit; it was one long, drawn out lecture that left the crowd in a stupor.

    Second, the location shrunk Beck down to a spec. Two of the greatest American speech makers, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Abraham Lincoln, giants in our history, made Beck the present day dwarf. I don't think his very best speech on his very best day could possibly be in the vicinity of the occasions in which we remember MLK or Honest Abe. To be fair, who could? And by standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial where King gave his most famous speech, no matter what Beck did, he invited those comparisons, much to his disadvantage. It was a distraction from his purpose; an extra burden that overwhelmed what measure of talent and sincerity he does possess.
    Two excellent points.

    I don't know why I was worried for one second about the memories of Lincoln and MLK.

    Beck and people like him can use those steps, but they will never be apart of them the MLK is.

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    IMHO, there was quite a lot of irony in Beck's rally being held on the day of King's "I have a dream speech", and on the very spot he gave that speech. There was a lot of talk about getting the government out of people's lives, and I liked that to quite an extent. However, this is where the irony kicks in. I remember Selma Alabama and Jackson Mississippi in the 1960's, when blacks were murdered and churches blown up because people wanted to exercise their constitutional right to vote, to get served at lunch counters, and to ride in the front of the bus. It was in that context that Martin Luther King made that famous speech, and in that speech, he was not advocating for less government, but for more government, in order to protect the rights of those who were being murdered and their churches blown up.

    On this day in history, I very much respect the fact that Beck and Palin ran a good and peaceful show, and put out a great message of Americans coming together. I think Dr. King would have liked that. But let us also remember that, no matter how much we are against the government controlling our lives, there are pivotal times in history when government intervention is absolutely vital, in order to protect the rights of ALL Americans. Let us never forget what the civil rights struggle was really all about.
    1. Government has the role of ensuring and defending our liberties. The Constitution/Bill of Rights sets the groundwork, the government ensures them.

    2. Do you remember it was Democrats that ... ahem... have a long history of voting against black Americans rights?

    In 1960, King was arrested for trespassing during a sit-in and held in Georgia's Reidsville prison. Fearing for his son's life, Martin Luther King Sr. appealed to presidential candidate John F. Kennedy to secure his release.

    When King was freed, his father vowed to deliver 10 million votes to the Democrat, even though Kennedy was only a reluctant supporter of civil rights. That began four decades of black people voting for liberals.

    Controversial Ad Links MLK, GOP - washingtonpost.com
    It may have been the worst trade on behalf of the "community" and the country.

    If I were running the RNC I would start running ads along these lines: There was a time when African Americans were largely Republican. Republicans have been at the forefront of the civil rights battle from Day 1. What have the Democrats done for you in the past 40 years? Government housing, the projects, now the ghetto's are rampant. Teen pregnancy is up. Unemployment is up. Blacks serving jail terms is up. High school drop outs are up. Violent crimes are up. Illegitimacy is up. All above societal norms. Your Democrat leaders meant well but failed. Come November, why not consider voting Republican?

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post

    It may have been the worst trade on behalf of the "community" and the country.

    If I were running the RNC I would start running ads along these lines: There was a time when African Americans were largely Republican. Republicans have been at the forefront of the civil rights battle from Day 1. What have the Democrats done for you in the past 40 years? Government housing, the projects, now the ghetto's are rampant. Teen pregnancy is up. Unemployment is up. Blacks serving jail terms is up. High school drop outs are up. Violent crimes are up. Illegitimacy is up. All above societal norms. Your Democrat leaders meant well but failed. Come November, why not consider voting Republican?

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    Alright, this is beginning to really bug me. This is also a big reason why I don't like Beck, or respect Beck. Your using history, without context, and without using all of the facts to push a narrative that helps your political views today.
    There was a difference between Southern Democrats, and Northern Democrats, hell there was a difference between Southern Republicans, and Northern Republicans. Your trying to paint a narrative that tells us that all republicans supported the Civil Rights Movement, which wasn't the case. If your going to use history, atleast use it correctly.
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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Alright, this is beginning to really bug me. This is also a big reason why I don't like Beck, or respect Beck. Your using history, without context, and without using all of the facts to push a narrative that helps your political views today.
    There was a difference between Southern Democrats, and Northern Democrats, hell there was a difference between Southern Republicans, and Northern Republicans. Your trying to paint a narrative that tells us that all republicans supported the Civil Rights Movement, which wasn't the case. If your going to use history, atleast use it correctly.
    Check the votes of who supported what from inception and get back to me.
    I had this one with CC and was never heard from again after he was taken to school and then the woodshed.

    I'd dig up the thread, but not today. You can have a go

    And what great strides, tremendous accomplishments have the Democrats made for the 10 million votes delivered every four years? They've reigned over a period of decay with poverty pimps, race baiters as their leadership. One saying Obama should have his nuts cut out; did he not also use the N word? I don't think this is what MLK had in mind at any level. Close minded, robotic following, dependency on government, and all base elements of society in decay.

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I think Beck made two strategic blunders with Saturday's event.

    First, in terms of ole time country, Gospel revivalist, come back to Jesus, Bible-thumping, Christian Evangelical speeches Beck's was a pale imitation. He has neither the charisma nor the talent those traveling preachers of long American tradition have. You might disagree with that particular form of religion but you must give credit where credit is due, their adherents always come away entertained and thoroughly inspired. Beck packed in all the self improvement clichés imaginable but none of the holy spirit; it was one long, drawn out lecture that left the crowd in a stupor.

    Second, the location shrunk Beck down to a spec. Two of the greatest American speech makers, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Abraham Lincoln, giants in our history, made Beck the present day dwarf. I don't think his very best speech on his very best day could possibly be in the vicinity of the occasions in which we remember MLK or Honest Abe. To be fair, who could? And by standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial where King gave his most famous speech, no matter what Beck did, he invited those comparisons, much to his disadvantage. It was a distraction from his purpose; an extra burden that overwhelmed what measure of talent and sincerity he does possess.
    What did you want? Maybe to come off arrogant and bigger than life, like Obama. Beck is a humble man.
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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When basic rights are taken away from American citizens, then our honor is at stake.
    What rights are those? I'm mean it's only fair you are always asking for examples even if they were already given to you.

    The only rights I saw taken away were just after 9/11 long before the present president came into the picture. You know that bill that got signed in the middle of the night that very few senators signed under the pretext of a big mushroom cloud blah blah blah.

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    What did you want? Maybe to come off arrogant and bigger than life, like Obama. Beck is a humble man.


    Beck is a jackass that runs his mouth... but hardly humble.

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    What did you want? Maybe to come off arrogant and bigger than life, like Obama. Beck is a humble man.
    OH MY GOD! A humble man who has his own TV show, beckons thousands to come and listen to him tell them what to do to bring "honor" back to America?

    There is nothing more arrogant than being a TV talk show host. Especially one who tells people what to think.

    How can you even mix up humility with anything that has to do with anyone in the gas-bag industry? Good God Almighty!

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I think Beck made two strategic blunders with Saturday's event.

    First, in terms of ole time country, Gospel revivalist, come back to Jesus, Bible-thumping, Christian Evangelical speeches Beck's was a pale imitation. He has neither the charisma nor the talent those traveling preachers of long American tradition have. You might disagree with that particular form of religion but you must give credit where credit is due, their adherents always come away entertained and thoroughly inspired. Beck packed in all the self improvement clichés imaginable but none of the holy spirit; it was one long, drawn out lecture that left the crowd in a stupor.

    Second, the location shrunk Beck down to a spec. Two of the greatest American speech makers, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Abraham Lincoln, giants in our history, made Beck the present day dwarf. I don't think his very best speech on his very best day could possibly be in the vicinity of the occasions in which we remember MLK or Honest Abe. To be fair, who could? And by standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial where King gave his most famous speech, no matter what Beck did, he invited those comparisons, much to his disadvantage. It was a distraction from his purpose; an extra burden that overwhelmed what measure of talent and sincerity he does possess.
    stupor?

    LOL!

    oh, i don't know that the funny guy who cries grew any in comparison to the preacher man or the rail splitter

    but it's pretty clear the odd little dude in tennis shoes grew relative to beck, just turn on your tv

    that is, his influence as a playa, as a force, certainly expanded saturday

    and even on the friday preceding he was probably a bigger factor on the landscape than all of cnn and msnbc combined, for instance

    beck's on to something, he's got his finger on the pulse of an awful lot of americans

    ie, a movement

    i'm surprised this needs to be pointed out

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