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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Why not? They just sat down and shut up when Bush was doing it. Not only that, but they called those who didn't sit down and shup up anti American.

    I see Dan. So half the country should just tune out and let this guy run rampant eh? I thought the mantra of people like you during the Bush days was that single majority government doesn't work? Now that changes because you drank the Obamanation kool aid.

    And I would say that it was "anti American" for Pelosi to visit Assad in 2006 along with Lantos, and Slaughter to undermine the POTUS, and against the wishes of that President during a time of war, and during that visit send her minions to meet with the PKK to stir up strife along the Turkish border in hopes of cutting off supplies to American troops....Yes "anti American" and in my opinion Treason.

    I would say that it was "anti American" to do everything possible including leveling charges of "cold blooded murder" against our own troops, and then refuse to apologize for that rhetoric when proven wrong on all counts.

    I would say that it is "anti American" to stand on the floor of the congress and accuse our troops of acting like "Pol Pot, or in a fashion reminiscent of Nazi's, or Soviet gulags"

    And I would say it is "anti American" to stand by and watch any administration try to "fundamentally change" this country in Cloward Piven fashion into something which this country is not, and against the will of the people.

    Shall I continue? Obama said he was the President of all the people.....Just another lie. And you support it....In order to save your dignity sir, change your affiliation.


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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Tim that is not happening. it is more fear mongering than anything else. there is really nohting new going on. Factually, the line is still there and has not really been pushed back much. Like I said, there are a few areas of concern, of debate, but not a tearing down of the wall completely. And depending on court case outcomes, maybe even less of those. I wouldn't listen too much to disingeuous talking heads or the disjoined and inaccurate tea party movement, but seek factual information.
    Boo.. You seem reasonable, however, please don't insult my intelligence. I've never in my life seen such a division in the American people. It's not just about Obama winning, it's not about any fear mongering, it is real. The people are more divided now than in any other time in our contemporary history. They are mad as hell at Washington, the deals, the pork, the none sense, and they are mad at both democrats and republicans. We're sick of the backroom reach arounds, and the mocking of the American people. We're sick of unfettered entitlement spending, greasing the pockets, pandering.. Hell you name it pal. I can't think of one thing I like about our Federal government, not one!


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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Why not? They just sat down and shut up when Bush was doing it. Not only that, but they called those who didn't sit down and shup up anti American.
    Well, the Patriot Act is at least the responsibility of the American Federal Government. So like it or not, they are within their role to do it. I also feel it was necessary, and I have not criticised Bush, nor have I Obama for keeping it, pretty much in place. If you have a better suggestion for our security, please enlighten us all?


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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Well, the Patriot Act is at least the responsibility of the American Federal Government. So like it or not, they are within their role to do it. I also feel it was necessary, and I have not criticised Bush, nor have I Obama for keeping it, pretty much in place. If you have a better suggestion for our security, please enlighten us all?


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    he doesn't....Just the usual faux swipe from a faux conservative. I get the feeling that Dan is the sort that phones in to C-SPAN Wash Journal on the conservative line, just to take shots at conservatives.


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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Well, the Patriot Act is at least the responsibility of the American Federal Government. So like it or not, they are within their role to do it. I also feel it was necessary, and I have not criticised Bush, nor have I Obama for keeping it, pretty much in place. If you have a better suggestion for our security, please enlighten us all?


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    he doesn't....Just the usual faux swipe from a faux conservative. I get the feeling that Dan is the sort that phones in to C-SPAN Wash Journal on the conservative line, just to take shots at conservatives.


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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Boo.. You seem reasonable, however, please don't insult my intelligence. I've never in my life seen such a division in the American people. It's not just about Obama winning, it's not about any fear mongering, it is real. The people are more divided now than in any other time in our contemporary history. They are mad as hell at Washington, the deals, the pork, the none sense, and they are mad at both democrats and republicans. We're sick of the backroom reach arounds, and the mocking of the American people. We're sick of unfettered entitlement spending, greasing the pockets, pandering.. Hell you name it pal. I can't think of one thing I like about our Federal government, not one!


    Tim-
    Well said.

    Something big is coming. HUGE. People are on a slow burn, and they're watching closely through 2012. If a bunch of this nonsense doesn't stop, you're going to see genuine anti-government movements coming from the MAJORITY of the people, not just the fringe. Already, seemingly sane people are speaking in tones of secession. Arizona is taking the federal law into its own hands. Other states are lining up to do the same as Arizona.

    Big, big happenings are in the offing.

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Well, the Patriot Act is at least the responsibility of the American Federal Government. So like it or not, they are within their role to do it. I also feel it was necessary, and I have not criticised Bush, nor have I Obama for keeping it, pretty much in place. If you have a better suggestion for our security, please enlighten us all?


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    The Patriot Act was nothing but a present to incompetent government thugs and their allies who were asleep at the switch on 9/11. We can defend our values without giving more power to the state.
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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Boo.. You seem reasonable, however, please don't insult my intelligence. I've never in my life seen such a division in the American people. It's not just about Obama winning, it's not about any fear mongering, it is real. The people are more divided now than in any other time in our contemporary history. They are mad as hell at Washington, the deals, the pork, the none sense, and they are mad at both democrats and republicans. We're sick of the backroom reach arounds, and the mocking of the American people. We're sick of unfettered entitlement spending, greasing the pockets, pandering.. Hell you name it pal. I can't think of one thing I like about our Federal government, not one!


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    It seems disingenuous to some of us though, because we were pointing out the same things to a lot of you when it was happening under Bush and Cheney's watch and you seemed to like it.

    Seriously, where were you all when Cheney held secret meetings with energy CEOs and then blocked the notes citing Executive Privilege - then later, claiming his office wasn't part of the Executive Branch?

    I would buy it from you if I felt it was truly bipartisan.

    You know, I talked with a friend that if we really wanted to show them something, we would reach across party lines and we would agree that those of us who live in districts that are so dominated by one party all the time would throw that party out of office. In other words, let's reverse EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT in the nation. I would be perfectly fine with Republicans gaining control of Congress for a couple of years if it meant that someone like Dan Burton (he's been ensconced for 20 years from Indiana) was thrown out, too.

    But what's going to happen is that a few tight districts are going to flip and those who benefit from the gerrymandering process will remain in office continuing to grift the American people and choose their successor because they know their seat's going to be there forever for their party.

    So, that's why I'm skeptical. I'm not skeptical of the anger - because I've been feeling it long before there was a Tea Party. I'm just skeptical of how it's being directed.

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    The Patriot Act was nothing but a present to incompetent government thugs and their allies who were asleep at the switch on 9/11. We can defend our values without giving more power to the state.

    Agreed, but at this point, the question is how do we dismantle what has been built for decades.


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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    It seems disingenuous to some of us though, because we were pointing out the same things to a lot of you when it was happening under Bush and Cheney's watch and you seemed to like it.

    Seriously, where were you all when Cheney held secret meetings with energy CEOs and then blocked the notes citing Executive Privilege - then later, claiming his office wasn't part of the Executive Branch?

    I would buy it from you if I felt it was truly bipartisan.
    Oh come on now. Look FFG, I have known you for some time now, and on occasion we have even had productive discussions. But if Conservatives are expected to just close their eyes while a demo President and Congress runs roughshod over the people, and the Justification is "well, you did it too", sorry, that's just not good enough.

    I wouldn't/didn't except that from my kids when they were small, and I don't expect it from adults.


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