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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There is a place for local government and federal government. Where those lines are is a reasonable place for debate. And while I would never argue only republicans use the politicis of fear, I would argue that fear was used to lessen rights of people after 9/11. And many supported things I would never have thought possible before 9/11. The over reaction and the fear mongering did seriously derail valid debate, and allowed government to increase power in our private lives. And they didso with nearly no out cry from republicans.

    Now, the rest is a another discussion, IMHO. And you might find we argee in some places, and not others. But the battle of where the line is, between states and the federal government is not a new one.

    the line is only unclear to liberals that think that everyone that doesn't think in lockstep with themselves are stupid.


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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There is a place for local government and federal government. Where those lines are is a reasonable place for debate. And while I would never argue only republicans use the politicis of fear, I would argue that fear was used to lessen rights of people after 9/11. And many supported things I would never have thought possible before 9/11. The over reaction and the fear mongering did seriously derail valid debate, and allowed government to increase power in our private lives. And they didso with nearly no out cry from republicans.

    Now, the rest is a another discussion, IMHO. And you might find we argee in some places, and not others. But the battle of where the line is, between states and the federal government is not a new one.
    No it's not a new debate in the context of American politics, but philosophically speaking, I see no way for us to survive if America becomes a single centrally governed authority. The "what's best for all of American's" won't work in a representative republican democracy. It isn't sustainable.


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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    the line is only unclear to liberals that think that everyone that doesn't think in lockstep with themselves are stupid.


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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    No it's not a new debate in the context of American politics, but philosophically speaking, I see no way for us to survive if America becomes a single centrally governed authority. The "what's best for all of American's" won't work in a representative republican democracy. It isn't sustainable.


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    I don't see us becoming a single central government authority. There is a still a division. There are only a few areas up for debate. So, I guess I'm not sur why you're leaping to an end that isn't remotely likley.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Stereotype much?


    Truth hurts doesn't it Joe....


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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't see us becoming a single central government authority. There is a still a division. There are only a few areas up for debate. So, I guess I'm not sur why you're leaping to an end that isn't remotely likley.
    Isn't likely? It's happening right now in front of your eyes. 300K on 8/28, somwhere near 500K last year.. It's exactly why it won't work. People of good conscience need to feel that they are being heard. With a central authority they are not being heard.


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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I would wear a bullet-proof vest too if I got death threats constantly. Alveda King asked Glenn if she could get one too, but then decided at the last minute that she trusted that God would take care of her and decided against it.


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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Isn't likely? It's happening right now in front of your eyes. 300K on 8/28, somwhere near 500K last year.. It's exactly why it won't work. People of good conscience need to feel that they are being heard. With a central authority they are not being heard.


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    Tim that is not happening. it is more fear mongering than anything else. there is really nohting new going on. Factually, the line is still there and has not really been pushed back much. Like I said, there are a few areas of concern, of debate, but not a tearing down of the wall completely. And depending on court case outcomes, maybe even less of those. I wouldn't listen too much to disingeuous talking heads or the disjoined and inaccurate tea party movement, but seek factual information.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I would wear a bullet-proof vest too if I got death threats constantly. Alveda King asked Glenn if she could get one too, but then decided at the last minute that she trusted that God would take care of her and decided against it.
    Which is a stupid move, I trust my weapon before God. One you can protect yourself, no one else.
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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Agreed, they sure were in Nov. of 2008, that's for sure.




    Yeah, I know, it's just a GD piece of paper isn't it?



    Ofcourse doing the right thing is hard. But there comes a time when it is the only choice.



    At the time it was passed (by 98% of congress I might add) I agree, and argued from a fearful position. Since that time, and how this administration is turning it against its political enemies then I agree it needs to be scraped and rethought.



    Someone has to, those with the (D) next to their names take every opportunity to undermine it.



    Moral relativism? Really? So I guess those that supported Bush should just shut up and sit down eh? Yeah, that's really bringing the country together isn't it? So the conclusion from reading your words here JB, I guess is that those in this country that don't agree with the current President, don't have a President isn't that right?


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    Why not? They just sat down and shut up when Bush was doing it. Not only that, but they called those who didn't sit down and shup up anti American.
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