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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    have you lost your honor?

    And mockery gets you where exactly?


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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I think what was meant was, the government had to step in to essentially force the rest of America to give equal rights to blacks, such as little thing like where to sit in the bus...

    I mean technically that would expand government and take away business' right to discriminate against blacks who wanted a meal in their establishment...

    And of course he was talking about honoring the constitution... by that he meant honoring the fact that all are equal.

    the Government's check are the people.


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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    No, it goes back way further than Obama. I think Beck means to restore our honor, in that, we need to return to the basic, and plain meaning of the words, and there intent. Also, as some have said here already but bears repeating, we need to shake the power of the central authority, and return governance back to the localities, and the states.


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    Who decides the plain meaning? Any possibility that honest people can disagree about the emaning of large sections of words? What they add up to?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    the Government's check are the people.


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    Yeah and the "people" are sometimes wrong.

    In fact alot of you in this thread thump your chest on Constitution this and constitution that.

    YOU DO understand that it's far easier to fight for principles, then to live up to them.

    If you truly meant everything you said in this thread it would mean repealing the patriot act...

    BUT NO, We only worry about the constitution when there's a (D) next to the name.

    I never heard a ****ing whisper about the constitution under Bush from conservatives...

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Yes it was a nice peaceful rally, still Beck and Palin are so stupid it makes my head hurt.
    Palin has no honor. Also.

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Yeah and the "people" are sometimes wrong.

    In fact alot of you in this thread thump your chest on Constitution this and constitution that.

    YOU DO understand that it's far easier to fight for principles, then to live up to them.

    If you truly meant everything you said in this thread it would mean repealing the patriot act...

    BUT NO, We only worry about the constitution when there's a (D) next to the name.

    I never heard a ****ing whisper about the constitution under Bush from conservatives...
    Exactly right. But then again, fear works on some. Scare them enough, and the Consitiution means next to nothing. Sadly.

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Who decides the plain meaning? Any possibility that honest people can disagree about the emaning of large sections of words? What they add up to?
    If it were the case, then I'd agree with you. But surely, you must agree that politicians are rarely thought of as honest people? See my sig, line two.

    Also, we have a large divide in just exactly what kind of political environment most of us feel is ideal. Right now, and for some time now, politics has been about securing the most votes. How they go about it, is dishonorable. A large part of this is the people themselves. What Apsts said about the black "culture" in this nation is exactly right. Factor in the Jews, the Catholics, the Latino's, the Asians, and all of us seem to disregard what's best for everyone instead looking out for number one.

    It's "precisely" why local governments should be the larger of the representaive structure. Without local authortative representation, large democracies, or democratic republics will fail. It's inevitable.


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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Exactly right. But then again, fear works on some. Scare them enough, and the Consitiution means next to nothing. Sadly.
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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    If it were the case, then I'd agree with you. But surely, you must agree that politicians are rarely thought of as honest people? See my sig, line two.

    Also, we have a large divide in just exactly what kind of political environment most of us feel is ideal. Right now, and for some time now, politics has been about securing the most votes. How they go about it, is dishonorable. A large part of this is the people themselves. What Apsts said about the black "culture" in this nation is exactly right. Factor in the Jews, the Catholics, the Latino's, the Asians, and all of us seem to disregard what's best for everyone instead looking out for number one.

    It's "precisely" why local governments should be the larger of the representaive structure. Without local authortative representation, large democracies, or democratic republics will fail. It's inevitable.


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    There is a place for local government and federal government. Where those lines are is a reasonable place for debate. And while I would never argue only republicans use the politicis of fear, I would argue that fear was used to lessen rights of people after 9/11. And many supported things I would never have thought possible before 9/11. The over reaction and the fear mongering did seriously derail valid debate, and allowed government to increase power in our private lives. And they didso with nearly no out cry from republicans.

    Now, the rest is a another discussion, IMHO. And you might find we argee in some places, and not others. But the battle of where the line is, between states and the federal government is not a new one.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Yeah and the "people" are sometimes wrong.
    Agreed, they sure were in Nov. of 2008, that's for sure.


    In fact alot of you in this thread thump your chest on Constitution this and constitution that.
    Yeah, I know, it's just a GD piece of paper isn't it?

    YOU DO understand that it's far easier to fight for principles, then to live up to them.
    Ofcourse doing the right thing is hard. But there comes a time when it is the only choice.

    If you truly meant everything you said in this thread it would mean repealing the patriot act...
    At the time it was passed (by 98% of congress I might add) I agree, and argued from a fearful position. Since that time, and how this administration is turning it against its political enemies then I agree it needs to be scraped and rethought.

    BUT NO, We only worry about the constitution when there's a (D) next to the name.
    Someone has to, those with the (D) next to their names take every opportunity to undermine it.

    I never heard a ****ing whisper about the constitution under Bush from conservatives...
    Moral relativism? Really? So I guess those that supported Bush should just shut up and sit down eh? Yeah, that's really bringing the country together isn't it? So the conclusion from reading your words here JB, I guess is that those in this country that don't agree with the current President, don't have a President isn't that right?


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