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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

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    Next you'll be telling us that stopping gays from marrying has something to do with teh childrun.
    They've been doing that for awhile.

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    Come November, why not consider voting Republican?
    Because they are as much full of **** like the Democrats. Its giving an alcoholic another drink because he says that it will be his last one.

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    It was a Republican who ended the Vietnam War, of course.
    Other than Ron Paul who in the Republican party now is anti-interventionism? They are just as pro-perpetual war as much as the Democrats.
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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I can see why some Blacks would support the Democrats out of sympathy for JFK and Bobby Kennedy but not almost 50 years later. There are other issues which have arisen since then.

    Yes, the South did change from solid Democrat to Republican but that could also be construed as them being eager to get rid of their racist past and start afresh with new beginnings. I believe that's been the attitude of the South since then, though remnants remain.
    Dude I don't know how you're getting this "Democrats were the racists" idea here. Go look at the numbers posted by Your Star again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    How is that abundently clear? Northern democrats were strongly in favor.

    It was a North / South thing, as Your Star said.
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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, I agree that the Democrats wanted nothing to do with Lincoln because of the Slave issue, and of course those sentiments carried through to the very recent past. Only with the death of Robert Byrd is the old guard finally disappearing.

    While you are obviously keen to make this a North/South issue, and thats fine, it is really a Republican versus Democrat issue and, even according to your own post, it was the Democrats who were the racists, disavowing Lincoln's struggles until just recently. A million excuses won't change the facts.
    Your right. A million excuses won't change facts. Here are the facts.
    Southern Democrats in Congress voted 8-107
    Southern Republicans in Congress voted 0-11
    Northern Democrats in Congress voted 190-10
    Northern Republicans in Congress voted 165-29
    It was a North/South thing, and if you can't see that by now, then your obviously ignoring facts, and history.
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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    How? There was never an intention to extend the right to marry based on race to sexual preference which is the decesion he cited. Why even have ammendments if you can reintrepret law clearly not intended for what you are arguing?
    It seems that the idea of marriage since the Constitution was first drawn up has undergone some huge changes. Now we have quickie divorces, as well as marriages, living together that can often be ruled as marriage, with the entire institution becoming regarded as not a very serious thing.

    So I say why not gay marriage? It's not as though heterosexuals have kept the institution respected and sacred.

    If two men (or women) love each other then allow them to make the same sincere attempt at long term public happiness and commitment as the rest of us do, witnessed by friends and made secure by the same legal documents that the heterosexuals use. They'll probably share in the same difficulties, and frequent joy, the rest of us have. We shoud wish them the same happiness, and good luck, that everyone else seeks.

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the GOP has trouble appealing to people who see the government as their savior and whose leaders feel a need to blame racism for their peoples's troubles. THe dems have spent 80 years making many minorities the dependent wards of the state and their strategy has paid off in lock step voting patterns of those so addicted to handouts
    And you don't think it's a little off to say that minorities depend on handouts? I mean, my friend Carolyn (a movie producer), my friend Ama (whose parents are both doctors), my friend Robert (a veteran and cab driver) who are all black and all vote Democrat (none of whom receive handouts) would disagree with you.

    It's a bit insulting that you picture minorities that way.

    Do you really believe that most minorities are living on handouts? Seriously?

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems that the idea of marriage since the Constitution was first drawn up has undergone some huge changes. Now we have quickie divorces, as well as marriages, living together that can often be ruled as marriage, with the entire institution becoming regarded as not a very serious thing.

    So I say why not gay marriage? It's not as though heterosexuals have kept the institution respected and sacred.

    If two men (or women) love each other then allow them to make the same sincere attempt at long term public happiness and commitment as the rest of us do, witnessed by friends and made secure by the same legal documents that the heterosexuals use. They'll probably share in the same difficulties, and frequent joy, the rest of us have. We shoud wish them the same happiness, and good luck, that everyone else seeks.
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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Your right. A million excuses won't change facts. Here are the facts.
    Southern Democrats in Congress voted 8-107
    Southern Republicans in Congress voted 0-11
    Northern Democrats in Congress voted 190-10
    Northern Republicans in Congress voted 165-29
    It was a North/South thing, and if you can't see that by now, then your obviously ignoring facts, and history.
    Your Star, make it a North/South thing. I really don't care.

    But the South was racist Democrat, not racist Republican. That's the point.

    It was the Democrats who were the racist party, and had been since the days of Lincoln. That they were from the North, South, East or West is by the by.

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Your Star, make it a North/South thing. I really don't care.

    But the South was racist Democrat, not racist Republican. That's the point.

    It was the Democrats who were the racist party, and had been since the days of Lincoln. That they were from the North, South, East or West is by the by.
    Southern Democrats were racist, but Northern Democrats weren't. Thats the point. To call Democrats the racist party isn't accurate. And all 11 republicans from the south voted against the Civil Rights Act, so it wasn't that every republican wasn't a racist, like I said, it was a South/North divide. Plain, and simple, and all the facts point to that conclusion.
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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm an American and I don't get it either.
    If anything my honor has increased.

    I trained it to level 5.
    If they wouldn't cap honor, I could get all my gear the day it was available!

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    Re: Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    So, according to you, minorities want to be dependent and not work?
    want has nothing to do with it

    generations of dependency is a hard history to shake

    tell me why the children of holocaust survivors or the vietnam civil war are far more likely to be Ivy Phi Beta Kappas or Stanford law and medical students than American Blacks? Why do the children of poor Asians test much higher than middle to upper class blacks?



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