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    Re: Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It certainly is a violation.

    You can't attach something to a person's home without consent or a warrant.
    That would be trespassing and/or vandalism depending on how it is applied.

    You can't attach something to a person without consent or a warrant, that's assault.

    A car in your drive way, it's still your car and your drive way.
    If the police have a compelling need to attach a GPS unit to it, they should and must get a warrant.
    Otherwise, they are breaking the law themselves.
    People can place flyers on your car without violating your property rights, why can the police not place a tracking device on your car, say on the bumper without violating your property rights. It does not have to be in your driveway, it could be on the street, at your workplace or at the mall
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    Re: The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    That's what I love about the bicycle... I can go higher than the speed limit and don't have to worry about it...
    I believe you could actually be charged with speeding on a bicycle ( you wont get points on your license though
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    Re: Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    People can place flyers on your car without violating your property rights, why can the police not place a tracking device on your car, say on the bumper without violating your property rights.
    Actually no they cannot, if you witness someone putting a flyer on your car and tell them to remove it they must do so, at least in many states. As well there are areas where putting flyers out in public is regulated to one extent or another. So that definitely isn't a universal right. Finally, the police have the burden of proof in due process so they must obtain a warrant unless there is a crime in progress under any proper application of law where evidence gathering is concerned.
    It does not have to be in your driveway, it could be on the street, at your workplace or at the mall
    Many states consider it an extension of your home, mine does. That would mean that a warrant is necessary.
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    Re: The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I read somewhere that the black boxes on vehicles will have the ability to broadcast GPS data at some point. I can't wait for the government to get their hands on that information. Imagine being taxed per mile driven, or being mailed a speeding ticket because your GPS unit registered a higher-than-legal speed limit and broadcasted it to the police.
    If its tied to the car computer, it can probably just read the spedometer

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    Re: The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If its tied to the car computer, it can probably just read the spedometer
    That's correct. It's a little more complicated but basically correct, what would happen is that the computer would send an output signal from the emissions system and read the firing pattern/intake and determine what the total speed should be, that's also how the spedo works on modern cars. Here's a major problem, any changes in weight or emissions malfunctions could throw the calculations off by anywhere from 2-8 m.p.h. if not more so someone could be thinking they are doing the speed limit when in fact they are in violation of the ceiling limit or the computer could actually give a falsely high read when someone is doing at or below the speed limit.

    EDIT- The spedo registers off of rotations of the propelling axle typically and changes in wear on tires as well as modifications result in inaccuracies. I misspoke and that was my bad.
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    Re: The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That's correct. It's a little more complicated but basically correct, what would happen is that the computer would send an output signal from the emissions system and read the firing pattern/intake and determine what the total speed should be, that's also how the spedo works on modern cars. Here's a major problem, any changes in weight or emissions malfunctions could throw the calculations off by anywhere from 2-8 m.p.h. if not more so someone could be thinking they are doing the speed limit when in fact they are in violation of the ceiling limit or the computer could actually give a falsely high read when someone is doing at or below the speed limit.

    EDIT- The spedo registers off of rotations of the propelling axle typically and changes in wear on tires as well as modifications result in inaccuracies. I misspoke and that was my bad.
    If I remember right, most states have "wiggle room" on speed limits for that reason. As in, they can't give you a ticket for 67 in a 65 because that's within the accepted speedometer margin of error. I assume that this would be the case for GPS-issued speeding tickets.

    Of course, if the US Government put GPS in our cars for the purpose of issuing tickets, I'd join in on the massive riots. If that didn't work, well, I've got some Canadian friends!
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    Re: The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If I remember right, most states have "wiggle room" on speed limits for that reason. As in, they can't give you a ticket for 67 in a 65 because that's within the accepted speedometer margin of error. I assume that this would be the case for GPS-issued speeding tickets.
    I think that the spedometer issue usually gets leniency in hearings, most officers will say the paperwork isn't even worth the 2-3 mph over so won't even stop you, though they can.

    Of course, if the US Government put GPS in our cars for the purpose of issuing tickets, I'd join in on the massive riots. If that didn't work, well, I've got some Canadian friends!
    Fair enough.
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    Re: The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That's an easy one to fix. Disconnect battery, find black box, open with screwdriver, remove circuitry, reconnect battery, start car, flip off government officials.
    Its not going to be that easy. No black box.... no running car.
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    Re: Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

    First it 'allows' them to track you anywhere you go... next it will simply be mandatory that all vehicles must be tracked... not that it matters since, in most locales, everyone and their dogs have a cell phone, and those can track you as it is.

    Has anyone else caught on to the fact that the original artical discusses how it's the GOVERNMENT that now has rights??

    Also, while I'm no legal expert, but correct me if I'm wrong that every other previous precedent states that you DO have a perception of privacy even on your own driveway... or did at least.

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    Re: The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Its not going to be that easy. No black box.... no running car.
    There's always a killswitch or CPU command that can be removed or disabled, not really that difficult if you know what you're doing. In this age of internet a quick browser search will lead you to the proper information.
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