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    Re: Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I understand that this strikes a chord with many people (and for obvious reasons), but there's a pretty strong argument for the court's decision.

    Police officers don't need a warrant to follow your car everywhere it goes. If that's all that a GPS tracker does, how much more intrusive is it?

    This is simply a case where technology has made it possible for the police to more efficiently do what they already have the authority to do. There are many legitimate arguments for why that's a bad thing, but I don't think it's cut and dried.
    Could a citizen do it to a cop car though?
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    Re: The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves

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    Re: Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Could a citizen do it to a cop car though?
    Even if they could, I believe the cops would be free to remove the tracker, just like these people would be if they found it.

    I think that allowing people to track the movement of police cars raises public safety concerns of a type that don't really exist when the police track individuals. There's nothing more useful to a criminal than knowing where the police are at all times.

    You raise a good point though.
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    Re: Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Even if they could, I believe the cops would be free to remove the tracker, just like these people would be if they found it.

    I think that allowing people to track the movement of police cars raises public safety concerns of a type that don't really exist when the police track individuals. There's nothing more useful to a criminal than knowing where the police are at all times.

    You raise a good point though.
    True, I just question the reasoning.
    You're supposed to be secure in your "papers and effects" (I think that's how it's worded) and this would seem to conflict with that.
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    Re: Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    True, I just question the reasoning.
    You're supposed to be secure in your "papers and effects" (I think that's how it's worded) and this would seem to conflict with that.
    But the freedom is only from an "unreasonable search and seizure," which is pretty poorly defined. We're going to have to deal with issues like this more and more often in the future. I honestly don't know where we should draw the line.
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    Re: Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    But the freedom is only from an "unreasonable search and seizure," which is pretty poorly defined. We're going to have to deal with issues like this more and more often in the future. I honestly don't know where we should draw the line.
    I think that putting something on a persons car, that isn't visible, would be considered some form of trespassing.
    That is unreasonable without a warrant.

    A flier for a restaurant or something similar, wouldn't qualify because it is in plain site.

    I think the job of police should be hard, even if it goes against some amount of public safety.
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    Re: Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I understand that this strikes a chord with many people (and for obvious reasons), but there's a pretty strong argument for the court's decision.

    Police officers don't need a warrant to follow your car everywhere it goes. If that's all that a GPS tracker does, how much more intrusive is it?
    Intrusive enough to necessitate a warrant. It's one thing if they're looking at me, it's another thing to use a series of satellites and tracking devices to locate me.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This is simply a case where technology has made it possible for the police to more efficiently do what they already have the authority to do. There are many legitimate arguments for why that's a bad thing, but I don't think it's cut and dried.
    Technology is always going to expand, more and more things will be possible. Which is why we must be even more wary and diligent in our restriction of government force. I may not have expectation of privacy in my driveway, but the driveway is still mine; part of my property. I may not have expectation to complete privacy in my car; but that car is still mine. It's my property. I have every expectation that the government of all things respect my rights and liberties which include my property. I have every expectation that the government will not bug or track me without due process, without cause, and without warrant. Just because the technology exists doesn't mean that government gets a free hand with it.

    What if, say, there were technology which could read people's thoughts. Proper for government to use without any notice, without any cause, without any proof of wrong doing? Or is it that as technology grows, our control and restrictions over government must grow with it?
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    Re: The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    I feel the same way and as someone mentioned, if you have a cell phone on your person they can track you that way..... they can also listen in on any phone anywhere whether it's in your pocket or in your home.

    My wife and I would bore them to death.

    A bigger concern to all of you paranoids should be all of the surveillance cameras and “face recognition software”.
    Watch out for over-ambitious agents over-reacting to otherwise normal situations. That, and survival politics, is the reason we're still in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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    Re: Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

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    The forefathers didn't foresee a political party built soley around coddling and nurturing a massive bloc of co-dependent citizenry.
    Nor did they foresee a massive standing army that takes up more than half of the government's budget.

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    Re: Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

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    Nor did they foresee a massive standing army that takes up more than half of the government's budget.
    Uhhhhhhh...... 36% in 2009, less now.

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