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    Re: The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    How do you stop the government from doing this when both parties are in support of it? If your vote can't change it then what does the average person do?
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    Re: The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    As for cell phones, simply remove the battery if you don't want to be tracked.
    Absolutely, or just turn it completely off.
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    Re: The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves

    I find this part of the article interesting

    This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway — and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements.
    I can agree with the first part, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy on my driveway. Fine. If I go out naked, people may see me and I can get in trouble for that. I understand that. But I don't think the second part follows from the first. I think that I have very reasonable expectation that the government is not tracking my movements without obtaining proper warrants first. There's a lot of changes in society and technology. I mean, Google Maps has shown how much "privacy" we actually have. But despite the fact that this becomes possible over time I don't think lends itself to allowing the government a free hand. So there's Google Earth, it can see our houses. I think the government should be BARRED from ever using it. Google Earth is not admissible in court. And we can do it with every bit of technology that comes up in that manner. The government still needs warrants, the government still must prove its case in court. None of this should ever change.
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    Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

    Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars - CNN.com

    Law enforcement officers may secretly place a GPS device on a person's car without seeking a warrant from a judge, according to a recent federal appeals court ruling in California.
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    and they just blew that off?? unbelievable, not to mention the DEA is probably gonna use this to mainly bust harmless Marijuana growers. Our forefathers must be turning in their graves.
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    Re: Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

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    Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars - CNN.com



    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    and they just blew that off?? unbelievable, not to mention the DEA is probably gonna use this to mainly bust harmless Marijuana growers. Our forefathers must be turning in their graves.
    The court-devised exceptions to the Fourth Amendment have all but devoured the rule.

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    Re: Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    [url=http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/27/oregon.gps.surveillance/index.html?hpt=T1]Our forefathers must be turning in their graves.
    There are a lot of things we do now that would sicken our forefathers. None of them envisioned quite this expansive, strong, and power hunger government we currently have. They'd also probably be sickened by us, We the People, as we've turned into whining, crying babies unable to do anything for ourselves.
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    Re: Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There are a lot of things we do now that would sicken our forefathers. None of them envisioned quite this expansive, strong, and power hunger government we currently have. They'd also probably be sickened by us, We the People, as we've turned into whining, crying babies unable to do anything for ourselves.
    The forefathers didn't foresee a political party built soley around coddling and nurturing a massive bloc of co-dependent citizenry.

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    Re: Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

    Another step on the road to fascism. Fan-****ing-tastic.
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    Re: Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

    So, let's say I wanted to install a wide-spectrum jamming device in my car....
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    Re: Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

    I understand that this strikes a chord with many people (and for obvious reasons), but there's a pretty strong argument for the court's decision.

    Police officers don't need a warrant to follow your car everywhere it goes. If that's all that a GPS tracker does, how much more intrusive is it?

    This is simply a case where technology has made it possible for the police to more efficiently do what they already have the authority to do. There are many legitimate arguments for why that's a bad thing, but I don't think it's cut and dried.
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