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Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

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Jetboogieman said:
I don't take offense to what they're doing, where they're doing it.

I do however think that Mr. Beck is pretty disengenious with his reasoning, I actually heard him say

"We're going to reclaim the civil rights movement"

What? Reclaim the civil rights movement? Are conservatives being hosed down by firefighters at bridges? Or did I miss something...
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Reclaim the Civil Rights movement?

I guess they want Libs to quit claiming that Kennedy and Johnson had anything to do with the Civil Rights, it was the conservatives who thought of it and made sure it passed! Even the so-red states in the south, like Alabama, were fighting hard to get the civil rights passed!

Wikipedia:
The first march took place on March 7, 1965 — "Bloody Sunday" — when 600 civil rights marchers were attacked by state and local police with billy clubs and tear gas


By the 1960s, the efforts of the local government to maintain racial segregation had earned Birmingham a new name, the Tragic City. Efforts to remedy a history of pervasive racial inequality continue today throughout Birmingham, through alliances among citizens that were once thought impossible.
Civil Rights: Birmingham, Alabama | Africana Online

JACKSON, Mississippi, March 17 (AFP) - Secret files from a segregation-era state spy agency were being unsealed here Tuesday in a move expected to shed new light on Mississippi authorities' fight against black civil rights.
Mississippi unseals secret files on war against black civil rights
 
hazlnut said:
Exactly how I feel about: Glen Beck - Restoring Honor.

John McCain, sure.

George H.W. Bush -- absolutely.

I'd even go with Bill O'Reilly (though he's too smart to get caught up in the teabagger mentality)

But Glenn Beck & Sarah Palin. Shameful.
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I'm surprised you don't hate O'Relly.
He's been traveling all over with Glenn doing Bold fresh tours, Bill even has Beck on the Factor quite often.
Maybe he's too smart to get caught up with the (profanity here) mentality but he sure seems to be close friends with the guy you despise. So now are you going to say O'reilly is an idiot?
 
texmaster said:
So you have nothing about the rally. Just personal shots at him. Got it.
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Um... gee, text, I thought Glenn Beck was going to be at the rally... um... gee... That's my main problem. Him being there. And I think I addressed all your points about the rally bellow.

BTW, if he's a race baiter what is MLK's niece doing there? Why did he dedicate a week's programming to the black founding fathers?
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He's trying to get people to forget some of the ignorant race-baiting crap that's poured from his stupid mouth... would be my guess.



More mindless rhetoric. Still waiting for examples.
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Examples of what?



More false statements without evidence. No shocker there.
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My evidence is all the vile signs that have shown up at previous teabagger outings. What more did you need? A secret memo from Beck saying: We can't control what these morons put on their signs, so let's ban all signs.

BTW -- where are your links backing up that this is some kind of official policy. How can they 'ban' signs?



Actually he could.
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How could he charge money?



More mindless banter without substance.
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Exactly. Palin = More mindless banter without substance.





He has never said alll tea party members are saints. You are once again fabricating evidence that doesn't exist.
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I never said he said that. But it seems pretty obvious this is about cleaning up the racist undertone that has followed the teabaggers since day 1.



Again, you have nothing to point to in this rally that is hurtful or bad in any way.
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Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin being there. They are doing the opposite of restoring honor to MKL/Lincoln.



So you just hate him. You hate his views, you hate his Christianity and you must really hate the fact the niece of MLK is going to be with him.
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Hate is rather strong.

I'm upset that this worthless human being is being given a platform to speak at this place and time. And if you want to call it hate, whatever.

He's not anything close to the Christianity that I grew up with. We were never taught fear-mongering and race-baiting.

The niece is an adult. I assume she has her reasons. Can't imagine what they are.

Anyone else associated with MLK going to be there?

You gave no facts whatsoever or examples of what he is doing on Sunday is wrong in any way.
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His presence is an insult to reason, freedom, the heroes, MLK, Lincoln...let's see what else.... Honor. Insulting those ideas is wrong, IMO.
 
Barbbtx said:
I'm surprised you don't hate O'Relly.
He's been traveling all over with Glenn doing Bold fresh tours, Bill even has Beck on the Factor quite often.
Maybe he's too smart to get caught up with the (profanity here) mentality but he sure seems to be close friends with the guy you despise. So now are you going to say O'reilly is an idiot?
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I don't know why O'Reilly did that with GB. It was embarrassing. Maybe trying to broaden his audience.
 
Conservative said:
The only spin I see is from you who gives your opinions that aren't back by facts. When you call Palin a failed governor without checking out her record that is opinion and spin. When you claim Beck is an extremist that is your opinion as well as he seems to be resonating with a majority in this country or haven't you seen the latest poll numbers on this Administration?
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I'm sorry, didn't Palin quit being governor for bull**** reasons so she could make more money peddling books on fox?

That's failure.

You don't like Beck, that is fine, I am sure he will survive without your support. I wonder what your spin will be Monday after the event and after the crowds are recorded? I wonder what really drives all this hatred. Glenn Beck has done nothing to hurt you or this country yet seems to be hated by you. That hatred IMO is very misguided as you ignore the message and attack the messenger. That doesn't make you a moderate it make you an extremist.
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The event is going to be a train wreck.

The crowd will be made up of supporters and protestors, the size doesn't reflect the national tone or character -- thankfully.

You guys are really stuck on hate. I guess I do hate that the memories of Lincoln and MLK are going to be shamed once and for all.

I guess I do hate that when I take my 3rd child there next summer, I have reconcile that disgrace that will happen tomorrow.

It's sucks for all Americans that we have to allow a fear-mongering fool a podium to speak. But that's the deal.

No honor shall be reclaimed. In fact, just the opposite.
 
hazlnut said:
I don't know why O'Reilly did that with GB. It was embarrassing. Maybe trying to broaden his audience.
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Wonder what your take will be on Monday after hundreds of thousands of Americans pay tribute to the greatness of America and do their part to restore the honor that so many here have tried to destroy? This non political rally is what this country needs at this point in time regardless of what you and others think. I look forward to your comments on Monday when you are proven wrong about Beck. If I am wrong I assure you that I am mature enough to admit it and will apologize.
 
hazlnut said:
Spin, spin, spin... that's all you got.



What 'Honor' to the memories of MLK/Lincoln are they restoring? It's a joke.
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The honor we lost when we got away from Faith, Hope and Charity, for one, or three however you want to look at it.
Who said this rally was to honor Lincoln or MLK.
Though I'm sure they will honor them, it's not the purpose of the rally.
 
I would just like to add a disclaimer to this thread: the views of hazlnut are his own, and in no way represent the views of most liberals. On the topic of the thread, I think most of us are skeptical of Beck's motives and what he might do, but will hold off on the criticism of the event until we know what actually is said.
 
Barbbtx said:
The honor we lost when we got away from Faith, Hope and Charity, for one, or three however you want to look at it.
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When did this happen?


Who said this rally was to honor Lincoln or MLK.
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Beck.


Though I'm sure they will honor them, it's not the purpose of the rally.
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I know.

And no, they will be dishonoring them. Lincoln and MLK were men of reason and intelligence, great vision and purpose. Beck is a shill for Goldline!! He stands at his chalk board spewing some twisted version of US history/policy... and his fans eat it up, thinking they're getting educated.

You don't see anything wrong with that? You don't see anything wrong with this rally?
 
=hazlnut;1058947098]I'm sorry, didn't Palin quit being governor for bull**** reasons so she could make more money peddling books on fox?

That's failure.
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That is your opinion which I don't hold in high regard. She quit for a reason, to prevent the state from having to fund her defense and for liberals making a mockery of the legal process in the state. How many of those claims of liberals were found to be true? She won every ethics case in a court and regardless more were going to be forthcoming because that is what liberals do, destroy individuals that disagree with them. She is doing more good now on the national stage but her record as Governor is quite impressive.


The event is going to be a train wreck.

The crowd will be made up of supporters and protestors, the size doesn't reflect the national tone or character -- thankfully.
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Again, what makes you an expert on predictions? We shall see how this turns out. Are you going to be around on Monday to admit that you were wrong? The national tone right now is a disaster thanks to this empty suit President how promised to bring people together. He has done that in D. C. this weekend but probably hardly the gathering he expected.

You guys are really stuck on hate. I guess I do hate that the memories of Lincoln and MLK are going to be shamed once and for all.
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You really don't understand Lincoln or King at all and have a distorted view of what is going to happen this weekend. Both Lincoln and King, IMO, would be supporting Beck in his efforts to "Restore Honor to America." You have your opinion but you don't control what others think or do.

I guess I do hate that when I take my 3rd child there next summer, I have reconcile that disgrace that will happen tomorrow.
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Since you don't know what is going on tomorrow, you don't have a lot of credibility on the issue. I certainly hope your children have more of an open mind than their parent.

It's sucks for all Americans that we have to allow a fear-mongering fool a podium to speak. But that's the deal.
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It is about time someone held this Administration accountable for their broken promises and their attempts to re-write history. It would serve you a little better to take a history class as well as a civics course so you wouldn't sound so foolish. It is about time someone tried to restore honor in this country because this Administration isn't doing it nor are people like you.

No honor shall be reclaimed. In fact, just the opposite.
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Again, your opinion. I look forward to your apology on Monday.
 
hazlnut said:
When did this happen?




Beck.




I know.

And no, they will be dishonoring them. Lincoln and MLK were men of reason and intelligence, great vision and purpose. Beck is a shill for Goldline!! He stands at his chalk board spewing some twisted version of US history/policy... and his fans eat it up, thinking they're getting educated.

You don't see anything wrong with that? You don't see anything wrong with this rally?
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please stop buying what you are told and get the facts. The BBB disagrees with you regarding Goldline. Maybe you and Weiner need to get a room.
 
Redress said:
I would just like to add a disclaimer to this thread: the views of hazlnut are his own, and in no way represent the views of most liberals. On the topic of the thread, I think most of us are skeptical of Beck's motives and what he might do, but will hold off on the criticism of the event until we know what actually is said.
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Redress, you ever want to go down the line, issue for issue, you'll see, I'm hardly a liberal.

(another thread, another time)

Let's start with Animal rights, umkay?
 
Conservative said:
please stop buying what you are told and get the facts. The BBB disagrees with you regarding Goldline. Maybe you and Weiner need to get a room.
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Oh, I'm sorry, did Glenn stop shilling for Goldline?
 
hazlnut said:
Oh, I'm sorry, did Glenn stop shilling for Goldline?
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Don't know nor do I care, what does the BBB say about Goldline? with the debt this Administration is creating and the massive unemployment, Gold is looking pretty good.
 
Conservative said:
Don't know nor do I care, what does the BBB say about Goldline?
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Don't know, don't care.


with the debt this Administration is creating and the massive unemployment, Gold is looking pretty good.
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:2funny::2funny:

Oh, god, please tell me you didn't already buy any of that crap...:(
 
hazlnut said:
Don't know, don't care.




:2funny::2funny:

Oh, god, please tell me you didn't already buy any of that crap...:(
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Interesting that you think the debt is funny and apparently you have no interest in free enterprise and capitalism. that does make you a liberal. Why don't you care about an attack on a private business enterprise that has an A+ rating with the BBB?
 
EnigmaO01 said:
So Fox news and Glen Wreck are once again proving they have an agenda and reporting news is secondary. No surprise there I guess.
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This is silly.
-No one has ever claimed that GB reports the news on FNC
-Having a commentator with bias in no way means that a news network isnt focused on reporting the news.
 
Conservative said:
That is your opinion which I don't hold in high regard. She quit for a reason, to prevent the state from having to fund her defense and for liberals making a mockery of the legal process in the state. How many of those claims of liberals were found to be true? She won every ethics case in a court and regardless more were going to be forthcoming because that is what liberals do, destroy individuals that disagree with them. She is doing more good now on the national stage but her record as Governor is quite impressive.
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I don't want to get in the middle of your conversation, although I agree with Hazl, but I couldn't resist your comment claiming that she won every ethics case in a court.

You accuse Libs of lying while lying at the same time.

Breaking News: Palin Found Guilty of Ethics Violation
Posted by Shannon LC Cate
The legislative panel to investigate whether or not Sarah Palin abused her power in trying to have her ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper, fired ("Troopergate") has concluded that she did, indeed violate the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Law.
According to the panel, Palin put pressure on, and allowed her husband to use the governor's office to put pressure on Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan to fire the trooper. When he refused, Monegan himself was fired by Palin.
Breaking News: Palin Found Guilty of Ethics Violation - Strollerderby


Nearly a year after she quit her governorship of Alaska, Sarah Palin was found guilty today of another breach of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act involving her so-called Alaska Fund Trust (AFT), which she established as a private "legal defense fund" while governor.
Geoffrey Dunn: Palin Guilty of Major Ethics Act Violation: Must Return $386,000 in Contributions
 
Goobieman said:
This is silly.
-No one has ever claimed that GB reports the news on FNC
-Having a commentator with bias in no way means that a news network isnt focused on reporting the news.
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Goobie, let's look at what you quoted again: "Fox news and Glen Wreck". Funny how you just took the little bit out and ignored the rest. Just a little dishonest...
 
mertex said:
I don't want to get in the middle of your conversation, although I agree with Hazl, but I couldn't resist your comment claiming that she won every ethics case in a court.

You accuse Libs of lying while lying at the same time.

Breaking News: Palin Found Guilty of Ethics Violation
Posted by Shannon LC Cate
The legislative panel to investigate whether or not Sarah Palin abused her power in trying to have her ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper, fired ("Troopergate") has concluded that she did, indeed violate the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Law.
According to the panel, Palin put pressure on, and allowed her husband to use the governor's office to put pressure on Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan to fire the trooper. When he refused, Monegan himself was fired by Palin.
Breaking News: Palin Found Guilty of Ethics Violation - Strollerderby


Nearly a year after she quit her governorship of Alaska, Sarah Palin was found guilty today of another breach of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act involving her so-called Alaska Fund Trust (AFT), which she established as a private "legal defense fund" while governor.
Geoffrey Dunn: Palin Guilty of Major Ethics Act Violation: Must Return $386,000 in Contributions
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Then I stand corrected, my apology. Wonder why "her" candidate for Senator is still leading the incumbent there. Looks to me like she still has a lot of support? By the way how many ethics claims have there been made against Palin and what were the costs to her and the people of Alaska?

By the way, looks like my apology was in error, she won those cases but as usual those against here bought the initial claims.
 
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Conservative said:
please stop buying what you are told and get the facts. The BBB disagrees with you regarding Goldline. Maybe you and Weiner need to get a room.
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Do you have a link where the BBB disagrees with Goldline's schemes/scams?

Among the defenses it raised was Goldline's "A+ rating" from the Better Business Bureau. Beck, too, has highlighted the BBB endorsement in his defense of Goldline. But does that rating really mean anything?

After all, a Mother Jones investigation found that more than 40 people have filed complaints against Goldline with that very same BBB, and seven of those people reported back that Goldline refused to make them whole. Goldline also engages in a few practices that don't seem like they quite fit in with the BBB's stated ideas about good consumer practices.

Did The BBB Give Goldline an Easy A? | Mother Jones
 
hazlnut said:
I'm sorry, didn't Palin quit being governor for bull**** reasons so she could make more money peddling books on fox?

That's failure.
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Actually she was more or less forced out by the likes of Palin haters like you. She put Alaska above her own best interests.
There were hundreds of frivilous ethics violations filed against her (none stuck) it was costing Alaska too much money and she didn't have any time to govern. Here's a little from her book. Pg. 377 in case you're interested in truth.



How would millions more in FOIA's and ethics complaints and lawsuits benefit Alaskans? I prayed hard because I knew if I resigned, it might very well end any future political career.
But then I thought, this is what's wrong with our political system. Too many polititians only consider their next career move. They don't put the people they are serving first.
In the end I decided, politically speaking, if I die I die.I had to do the right thing. It might be the end of my career, but it wouldn't be the end of my work to make a difference. No one can make me "sit down and shut up." I don't need a title to effect positive change.
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Palin wasn't forced out of anything.
 
mertex said:
I don't want to get in the middle of your conversation, although I agree with Hazl, but I couldn't resist your comment claiming that she won every ethics case in a court.

You accuse Libs of lying while lying at the same time.

Breaking News: Palin Found Guilty of Ethics Violation
Posted by Shannon LC Cate
The legislative panel to investigate whether or not Sarah Palin abused her power in trying to have her ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper, fired ("Troopergate") has concluded that she did, indeed violate the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Law.
According to the panel, Palin put pressure on, and allowed her husband to use the governor's office to put pressure on Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan to fire the trooper. When he refused, Monegan himself was fired by Palin.
Breaking News: Palin Found Guilty of Ethics Violation - Strollerderby


Nearly a year after she quit her governorship of Alaska, Sarah Palin was found guilty today of another breach of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act involving her so-called Alaska Fund Trust (AFT), which she established as a private "legal defense fund" while governor.
Geoffrey Dunn: Palin Guilty of Major Ethics Act Violation: Must Return $386,000 in Contributions
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Here are the list of complaints against Sarah Palin along with their status.

Ethics complaints filed against Palin: Former Gov. Sarah Palin | adn.com

By the way I don't put much faith in Huffington Post or the other leftwing websites as both these were made right after her nomination as a Vice Presidential Candidate and actually have been disposed of as indicated in the link I gave you.

Now I would have preferred that she not resign as Governor and finish out her term but most of these appear to be politically motivated and really without merit. She is now demonized by liberals simply because they disagree with her politics and we all know that liberals attempt to destroy anyone that disagrees with them.
 
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mertex said:
Do you have a link where the BBB disagrees with Goldline's schemes/scams?

Among the defenses it raised was Goldline's "A+ rating" from the Better Business Bureau. Beck, too, has highlighted the BBB endorsement in his defense of Goldline. But does that rating really mean anything?

After all, a Mother Jones investigation found that more than 40 people have filed complaints against Goldline with that very same BBB, and seven of those people reported back that Goldline refused to make them whole. Goldline also engages in a few practices that don't seem like they quite fit in with the BBB's stated ideas about good consumer practices.

Did The BBB Give Goldline an Easy A? | Mother Jones
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I have seen nothing that disputes that A+ rating which is the "gold" standard of ratings. Based upon that rating Beck accepted them as an advertiser. What would you have done?
 
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