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    Re: Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    First off, I still think it's a big leap to think that because democrats support all these welfare programs just to get votes, and keep people downtrodden is just wrong. You assume that the majority of people in these programs never get off of them, and stay on them for the rest of their lives. Which, they don't, these programs do help people, they do get off of these programs, and have a successful life, because these programs helped them out. I know these programs have helped my family. Are these programs perfect? No. Do we need to reform them? Yes. But to say they don't help people out is quite a stretch. Also you're assuming that they are not reforming these programs because of this evil plot to get votes, and stay in power. Which, like I said I think it's a stretch. It's either they think that these programs are effective, there is not enough voter demand to reform these programs, or there just incompetent in getting things done. And to even remotely prove this assertion, you would have to prove that the majority of people on these social programs vote democrat. Also you would have to prove that these votes are a big enough advantage to keep this 30 year policy of evil dependence going. At the most it's good intentions without having effective policy, but it's nothing evil.
    Fair enough - we won't agree on this but good discussion anyway's.
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    Re: Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Umm, yeah. Of the candidates she stumped for, I think the last count was 16-10, Sarah's favor. You do know that the senate run off in Alaska has all but been won by Sarah's endorsed candidate, too?

    So yeah, you can try to paint Palin as a liability, but numbers don't lie, chick.
    20-10 last I looked.... They are calling the "King Maker" now.
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    Re: Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    What is disappointing? Seeing reality for what it is?
    My disappointment lies in the fact that your persist in your claims based only on speculation and no evidence. Usually you are more logical, even when we disagree, you often make good points or at least points that make sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    In this particular aspect I do not agree. I've seen enough to know better and once my eyes are opened I can't just close them again and convince myself it doesn't exist. I don't attribute this devious behavior to you or individual democrats. I attribute it to an overall policy that, whether intentional or unintention - is doing just what I say it is. There are very smart people in the Democratic leadership who know better. The bottom line if you write off anything else that I've said so far is: If Democrats wanted to lift people up out of poverty, out of depression and better themselves - they could have and would have done it. They have not.
    This is the speculation I was referring to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That reality in and of itself is enough and as I said - I've seen enough to know better. To quote Pete Stark - Government can do most anything. So when are we going to ask ourselves, "Why aren't they?" And if they aren't doing something that will obviously help more people than the Health Care reform bill that just passed, that would help more than any Medicare or Medicaid subsidy in that it would help people live better lives... why aren't they doing it? Sorry dude... time to open your eyes too.
    I believe you are confusing the fact that you would approach the problem differently and your conclusions about the effects of the legislation with malice. Not all people come to the same conclusions about things and reasonable people often disagree, yet are still reasonable.

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    Re: Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Past behavior is a legitimate indicator of future behavior. Glenn Beck has been shown to not always be honest, fair, and especially nonpolitical. I will be happy to be proven wrong, but until I am, I will remain skeptical.
    That past behavior would be.....?
    Something other than Media Matters or from anyone who got such information from Media Matters.
    Beck is political, but if he says this is a non political rally, why think it would be political?
    If it is going to be political, why wouldn't he just say so? Would it be a crime to have a political rally? I think they happen quite often.
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    Re: Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Boy, oh boy....Can you feel the contempt in Amy Gardner's words here from the Washington 'Com'Post....Let me ask, when demo's use activism as a blunt tool for their message, are they expected to pull it off in a non political way? Are they expected to not offend anyone? I would say hell no, in fact their purpose is often to offend. But now at least in Ms. Gardner's mind it has to be non offensive....


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    Beck does this **** for the money, he just happened to hop on the bandwagon to increase his visibility and marketing strength.

    I wish people would stop circling around hyperbolic, disingenuous douches.
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    Re: Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    That past behavior would be.....?
    Something other than Media Matters or from anyone who got such information from Media Matters.
    Such as the deliberate fake crying that he often does. Or perhaps his constant hyperbole, such as the doom room.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Beck is political, but if he says this is a non political rally, why think it would be political?
    He also said the 9/12 project was not political, if I recall. It pretty obviously was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    If it is going to be political, why wouldn't he just say so? Would it be a crime to have a political rally? I think they happen quite often.
    Wtf are you talking about a crime?

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    Re: Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Glenn Beck is an idiot rodeo clown who pour red kool-aide in the ear of those who lack the education and/or critical thinking abilities to know better... What he says is paranoid crap, not worth your time.
    I agree on your assessment of Beck. But Beck is not the Tea Party. He is an idiot, whose agenda is not what he thinks is best for America, but what he thinks is best for his own shameless self promotion.

    Here is the way I see it this year - It is all going to be determined by the Independents. The Tea Party, Coffee Party, and all the other parties, cater to the ideologues on either side. However, the Indenpendents have no political axe to grind. They are going to call it as they see it, and vote accordingly. In 2008, they threw the Bushneviks out of power. Since then, Obama has not kept his promises, so this year, they are going to be throwing Democrats out of power. Whichever side you are on, you are going to have to convince the Independents or you are toast. Obama has not convinced the Independents, and so, even if some of the Tea Partiers are a bit extreme, the Independents will vote for them anyways, because Democrats simply have not delivered.

    In the end, I like it. A "throw out the bums and keep throwing them out" mindset is the only thing that will eventually restore honesty to government. It does not matter what Republicans and Democrats do. It will be the Independents that determine what this fall's final outcome will be. Democrats are losing them, not because the Tea Party is converting them, but because the Democrats are simply not doing their job. THEY are the ones in power, and THEIR heads are going to be the ones that roll this time.
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    Re: Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Glenn Beck is an idiot rodeo clown who pour red kool-aide in the ear of those who lack the education and/or critical thinking abilities to know better... What he says is paranoid crap, not worth your time.
    What's not true about the "paranoid crap". Please be specific.
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    Re: Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Such as the deliberate fake crying that he often does. Or perhaps his constant hyperbole, such as the doom room.



    He also said the 9/12 project was not political, if I recall. It pretty obviously was.



    Wtf are you talking about a crime?
    Fake crying.....You don't think it's possible for a grown man to cry real tears? I don't think they are fake.
    Doom room...enlighten me please
    9/12 project, I don't recall him saying it wasn't or never would be political. I believe he started it but it is now in the hands of the American people. I'm not a member. You may be right...or not.
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    Re: Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Would you agree this is a beter measure of success and failure than the rally?
    What rally? Are you talking about Beck's rally on Sunday?
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