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    Re: Still waiting....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, I'm not saying that Martin Luther King was in favor of using eugenics on blacks, but one just has to wonder why he would actually do that. Was it ignorance, or complicity?



    Sound like a "Liberal", to you?
    No, actually she doesn't. She sounds like a lot of the people in the immigration debate today, honestly.

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    Here: Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



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    Here: Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    The ball is now firmly in your court. back up your claim.
    Notta problem.

    Prominently with President Theodore Roosevelt and through the 20th century's first years, the Progressive Movement came into view with its belief in “the perfectability of man, and in an open society where mankind was neither chained to the past nor condemned to a deterministic future; one which people were capable of changing their condition for better or worse.”

    The Socialist Party was included within the Progressive Movement. The party dealt with American problems in an American manner. Unlike the Communist Party, the Socialist Party at that time felt no obligation to adhere to an international party line. For example, socialists and other progressives campaigned at the local level for municipal ownership of waterworks, gas and electric plants, and made good progress in such endeavors. In 1911, there were 18 Socialist candidates for mayor, and they nearly won the Cleveland, Ohio, and Los Angeles, California, mayoral races.

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    Re: Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

    So can anyone give me a synopsis of the event? I've been out all day, and I'm interested in hearing about what happened.

    As unbiased as possible please.
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    No, actually she doesn't. She sounds like a lot of the people in the immigration debate today, honestly.
    If you call someone a liar, you better damned well be able to produce some docs proving so. She tried and failed. I'll give her kudos for trying, though.
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    Re: Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

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    So can anyone give me a synopsis of the event? I've been out all day, and I'm interested in hearing about what happened.

    As unbiased as possible please.
    One helluva-lotta people showed up.
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    Re: Still waiting....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You called me a liar. Obviously, you can prove that I'm wrong.
    Good Lord, the sharks are circling here and all against you. It is like a cult following as no one is ever going to convince a liberal they are wrong, they are just too arrogant to admit it.

    As Grant stated, liberals change their name whenever it suits them or whenever they believe they can get public support. They wore out the term liberal so that around 20% now call themselves liberal so they had to try something else, thus the word progressive. Couldn't agree more with you that Communists and Marxists believe themselves to be Progressive but regardless of what they call themselves their ideology is a total and complete failure as evidenced by the results today.

    Amazing how the countries of Europe see the errors of their ways and are changing but the arrogant liberals are ignoring that as they implement the European socialist model here.

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    Re: Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So can anyone give me a synopsis of the event? I've been out all day, and I'm interested in hearing about what happened.

    As unbiased as possible please.
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    Great crowd, no politics, and wonderful setting. Restoring Honor was the theme and was non partisan in nature.

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    Re: Still waiting....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Notta problem.
    And you fail. Your own source quite clearly states that Socialists where part of the larger Progressive movement. Further, if you had followed the link in your very own source, the one labeled Progressive Movement, you would have read this:

    Progressivism was also imbued with strong political overtones and rejected the church as the driving force for change. Specific goals included:

    # The desire to remove corruption and undue influence from government through the taming of bosses and political machines;
    # the effort to include more people more directly in the political process;
    # the conviction that government must play a role to solve social problems and establish fairness in economic matters.
    Note a lack of the use of the words "Socialist", "fascist", or "communist".
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    Re: Still waiting....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Notta problem.
    Okay, it's called reading comprehension, and I suppose I'll have to give you a lesson in it:

    "The socialist party was included within the Progressive Movement."

    Here's what that says: There's a Progressive Movement and SOME OF THEM are members of the Socialist Party.

    And with this sentence ("Unlike the Communist Party, the Socialist Party...") following the previous one, the author is telling you that the Communist Party wasn't a part of the Progressive Movement. That sentence further goes on to point out that American Socialists (of the time, keep in mind this was oh, 100 years ago or so) weren't beholden to international parties and were adapting it to suit American needs.

    So, can you honestly say that this proves your point that Progressives are all fascists, socialists, or communists - when it clearly doesn't say that at all? Further, how does it prove your false assertion that Progressives are fascists, when fascism doesn't come up at all?

    You've proven nothing, except that you're given to generalizations about people you don't understand.

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