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    Re: Still waiting....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    FilmFestGuy, did Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and Oprah Winfrey call themselves "Progressive" or is it your opinion that they are?

    I doubt, if asked, that any of them would want that appellation.
    They all support many progressive causes. Progessive, liberal, left - whatever.

    But they're all capitalists and they all have political leanings to the left of a lot of Americans and support liberal charities, higher tax brackets for the wealthy, etc.

    Common sense (which we are allowed to use) would suggest that calling them progressive capitalists isn't far from accurate.

    Saying all progressives are fascists, communists, or socialists is either ill-informed or a lie.

    It's no more true than me saying all conservatives hate blacks (which I never said) or all conservatives hate Muslims (though, some clearly do).

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    Re: Still waiting....

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    Progressives are Communists/Socialists. It's an historical fact.
    Prove this.
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    Re: Still waiting....

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    They all support many progressive causes. Progessive, liberal, left - whatever.

    But they're all capitalists and they all have political leanings to the left of a lot of Americans and support liberal charities, higher tax brackets for the wealthy, etc.

    Common sense (which we are allowed to use) would suggest that calling them progressive capitalists isn't far from accurate.

    Saying all progressives are fascists, communists, or socialists is either ill-informed or a lie.

    It's no more true than me saying all conservatives hate blacks (which I never said) or all conservatives hate Muslims (though, some clearly do).
    Rich people who support Progressiveism believe they'll be among the chosen few whose riches won't be touched by the new socialist policies. There were rich Russians that supported Lenin and rich Germans that supported Hitler. The members of the Polit Bureau weren't poor, by any means, nor did they share the same hardships of the Russian citizenry.
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    Re: Still waiting....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Glinda, many Communists and Socialists have called themselves "Progressives". It's a well established fact.

    If people don't want to be associated with Communists or Socialists than they should find something else to call themselves.

    "Progressives" is such a silly and misleading term anyway. Communists, and Socialists, have never been "Progressive" in the original sense of the word.
    I grew up among socialists and communists, and I never heard the term "progressive" used by anyone as a self-description excepting conservatives.
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    Re: Still waiting....

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Prove this.
    No, you called me ignorant and a liar. You prove me wrong. Show us where Progressives supported Capitalism and rejected socialist ideology. We all await your dosumentation. Theordore Roosevelt was a progressive. He was all about eugenics and wealth redistribution.
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    Re: Still waiting....

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    I grew up among socialists and communists, and I never heard the term "progressive" used by anyone as a self-description excepting conservatives.
    Yeah, I bet.
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    Re: Still waiting....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, you called me ignorant and a liar. You prove me wrong. Show us where Progressives supported Capitalism and rejected socialist ideology. We all await your dosumentation. Theordore Roosevelt was a progressive. He was all about eugenics and wealth redistribution.
    Just once, actually back up one of your comments. Just once.
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    Re: Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Yes you are. You claim the Anchorage paper vindicates Palin, then when I post an article by the Anchorage paper that exposes her lies, you claim that it is old news and doesn't mean anything. The same usual twisting of facts or discounting facts most of the conservatives do on a regular basis.

    And I don't hate Palin - that is what most cons keep claiming because they don't want to face the fact that she is a fake, more interested in money and fooling people into thinking she cares about their ideals for the country, so accusing those who oppose her of hate is a way to escape reality.


    What about the ones where she has been found guilty? You seem to want to sweep those under the rug along with those that were dismissed. And you can't handle the facts. Your way of responding to facts is to say they are lies.


    Considering you know nothing about me, I will just have to chuckle at your assumptions. You are spending a lot of time defending those same issues you claim surfaced back in 2008 - so, if you don't want to discuss Palin, why did you bring her up in the first place?

    That is so lame. Bush and Company had 6 years of total control (2001 - 2006). They did nothing in regards to health care, immigration reform, finance reform, etc. For you to blame Obama, who only came to the Senate in 2005, is so typical of conservatives who don't want to accept responsibility for the mess they put the country in.
    What a surprise, coming from a member of the party of "no".


    To ignore what led to the big mess and try to heap 8 years of Bush's ineptness on Obama is a typical right-wing spin and downright lie.


    That's only according to the spin-meister machine, however, we are still in recovery mode from the 8 years of totally failed policies. So much for you relying on facts.


    Maybe you can tell me why a dishonest Bush, didn't share with Congress information that he received that might suggest there were no WMD's. Are these Democrats supposed to be mind readers?

    Ever hear of the "filibuster"?

    In the 1960s, she finds, “extended-debate-related problems” — threatened or actual filibusters — affected only 8 percent of major legislation. By the 1980s, that had risen to 27 percent. But after Democrats retook control of Congress in 2006 and Republicans found themselves in the minority, it soared to 70 percent.
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    Ever heard of the rippling effect. Surely you didn't expect everything to happen all at once, unless you are very naive.


    Yeah, I noticed you said that after you posted all that crap in defense of them. And your delusional assumption that you proved anyone wrong is so typical of conservative's fantasies.
    I said nothing of the sort, I said that the Anchorage paper listed all the violations and their dispostion. There seems to be a conflict between what you posted and what was posted there but again what does it matter today? Your fixation with Sarah Palin is quite telling especially when the speech she gave today wasn't political at all.

    As for Control of Congress, better check the facts as to who controlled the Congress from 2001-2003.

    http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgov...division_2.htm


    Doesn't look to me like you have a clue just like you don't understand the following:

    "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

    "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 |

    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

    "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
    - Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 |

    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
    - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 |

    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
    Letter to President Clinton.
    - (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 |

    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 |

    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
    - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 |

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 |

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
    - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 |

    "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 |

    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 |
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    Re: Still waiting....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Progressives are Communists/Socialists. It's an historical fact.



    Margaret Sanger gave us The Negro Project which was designed to keep blacks from breeding, because they're an inferior people. And all you can say about that is her views are, "archaic"? I guess Hitler was just, "archaic".
    So, when Coretta Scott King read her husband's speech, thanking Margaret Sanger for her work in implementing family planning, you're suggesting that he was also in favor of killing off blacks as an inferior race? Or could it be that he believed that family planning could be good for black Americans?

    Cristina Page's Blog: Martin Luther King Jr. and Margaret Sanger: Allies

    Or is this about you hating the freedom that women gained from effective birth control? Some of her views were wrong, yes. So were some of George Washington's with regard to blacks. It doesn't negate the positive things they did for our nation.

    Yours is what we call black-and-white thinking. Look it up.
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    Re: Still waiting....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Rich people who support Progressiveism believe they'll be among the chosen few whose riches won't be touched by the new socialist policies. There were rich Russians that supported Lenin and rich Germans that supported Hitler. The members of the Polit Bureau weren't poor, by any means, nor did they share the same hardships of the Russian citizenry.
    Anything in defense of your cognitive distortion.

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