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    Re: McCain wins senate primary in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    You live in Arizona now?
    <looks around>

    Nope. Why would that matter?
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    Re: McCain wins senate primary in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You are oversimplyfying it... it is NOT the definition of amnesty. Amnesty is just automatically forgive everyone and grant them legal status. The bill did not propose that. I also support a guest worker program, BTW. It works for Taiwan. Why can't the U.S. manage it?
    Taiwan is an island. Does Taiwan have a huge number of people entering illegally, having children that are then "Taiwanese Citizens" and then bringing their whole families over to care for said child being cared for by the state? You talk of oversimplification and then you...


    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Are you referring to waterboarding? I think he is far more of an authority on that than you or I. He has given his life in public service, including more than five years as a POW while serving in Viet Nam. I would have expected you to show him a little more respect.
    WTF is this drivvel? Why is it, those of us that find McCain lacking, his political drive is about John McCain and little else, are called out for lack of respect? No one here that I know of has disparaged the mans sacrifice to the country. However that doesn't grant him immunity from judgment on his actions later in life.


    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I don't think any Republican could have won in the political environment that was 2008.
    That might be entirely true. However, a strong Conservative with the ability to inspire voters to vote FOR him vice voting against Obama might have had a chance. We'll never know, but we can DO BETTER in 2012 then a John McCain type Republican.
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    Re: McCain wins senate primary in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post

    WTF is this drivvel? Why is it, those of us that find McCain lacking, his political drive is about John McCain and little else, are called out for lack of respect? No one here that I know of has disparaged the mans sacrifice to the country. However that doesn't grant him immunity from judgment on his actions later in life.
    Your use of the words "claims of torture" indicate that you think he is lying about his time in the POW camp.

    Don't you think you could use appropiate words when reffering to his experiences?

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    Re: McCain wins senate primary in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Your use of the words "claims of torture" indicate that you think he is lying about his time in the POW camp.

    Don't you think you could use appropiate words when reffering to his experiences?
    I don't see MrViccio's ever using "claims of torture" indicating anything... I think you quoted incorrectly?

    Second, I think McCain's one of the biggest RINO's out there next to Snowe and Collins, but one thing I don't doubt was that he was tortured and while I don't agree with all his views on enhanced interrogation, I certainly respect his experiences. I might point out that torture did eventually work on him as well. I'm not making a moral judgement just stating a fact.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: McCain wins senate primary in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I don't see MrViccio's ever using "claims of torture" indicating anything... I think you quoted incorrectly?

    Second, I think McCain's one of the biggest RINO's out there next to Snowe and Collins, but one thing I don't doubt was that he was tortured and while I don't agree with all his views on enhanced interrogation, I certainly respect his experiences. I might point out that torture did eventually work on him as well. I'm not making a moral judgement just stating a fact.
    Yoa re right it was Textmaster but MrViccio answered the quote from the other poster.

    I don't think anybody should doubt the fact that McCain was tortured. It was evident every time he tried to raise his arms to wave at anybody.

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    Re: McCain wins senate primary in Arizona

    McCain is in my opinion, also a socialist, but he's just not as far down the scale.

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    Re: McCain wins senate primary in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Your use of the words "claims of torture" indicate that you think he is lying about his time in the POW camp.

    Don't you think you could use appropiate words when reffering to his experiences?
    I never said any such thing, appologize sir for your error.
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    Re: McCain wins senate primary in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Taiwan is an island. Does Taiwan have a huge number of people entering illegally, having children that are then "Taiwanese Citizens" and then bringing their whole families over to care for said child being cared for by the state? You talk of oversimplification and then you...
    Unfortunately, Taiwan DOES have an illegal immigration problem (not as big as that in the US) and the illegals are often hard to root out because they are of the same race and speak the same language as most people who live in Taiwan. It is true that Taiwan does not have birthright citizenship. However, I am on the record as to favoring an amendment to the Constitition on that point.


    WTF is this drivvel? Why is it, those of us that find McCain lacking, his political drive is about John McCain and little else, are called out for lack of respect? No one here that I know of has disparaged the mans sacrifice to the country. However that doesn't grant him immunity from judgment on his actions later in life.
    However, I respect his opinion on what constitutes torture. If he says waterboarding is torture, I am more included to take him at his word on that than someone like either of us or most (if not all) on this board who have never been subjected to such treatment.



    hat might be entirely true. However, a strong Conservative with the ability to inspire voters to vote FOR him vice voting against Obama might have had a chance. We'll never know, but we can DO BETTER in 2012 then a John McCain type Republican.
    You mean with the likes of Palin? Please... if she is the best the GOP can do, we may as well accept that Obama will have an eight-year presidency... unfortunately...
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