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    Re: US death row inmate loses bid to prove his innocence

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    A technologically advanced and prosperous society employing the death penalty is troubling to me.
    I have no problem with the Death Penalty but I do have a problem when the state kills a innocent person then to add insult to injury covering it up.
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    Re: US death row inmate loses bid to prove his innocence

    1) In America, the burden is on the prosecution to show, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the defendant is guilty.
    The state had already proved him guilty. In the appeals process, it's up to the accused to prove he isn't.

    2) Seven of the nine witnesses for the state say that they were pressured by police to implicate the defendant.
    Two of nine still remain. Witnesses recanting testimony isn't that unusual and, often, the recantation isn't believed. Too many reasons someone might recant years later.

    3) The state's total case rested upon this testimony, as there was no other evidence linking him to the crime.
    The state's case rested on the testimony of NINE witnesses. How ridiculous to find him guilty!!!

    4) If the testimony is coerced, then the testimony is not any good.
    5) If the testimony is not any good, then at the very least, reasonable doubt exists.
    Two eye witnesses is plenty good enough evidence for conviction.
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    Re: US death row inmate loses bid to prove his innocence

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    A society unable to remove certain elements from within due to cowardice troubles me more.
    The death penalty seems like an unnecessarily reckless punishment. No justice system can be trusted to render correct verdicts or fair punishments all of the time, and the justice system which incorporates this understanding into its protocols will be superior to one which is overconfident of its efficiency, because the first seeks to correct its mistakes and continually improves on itself while the latter trusts in its procedures too much to undermine previous decisions. Some would argue our appeals process is good enough, but I don’t believe an irreversible punishment like death can ever be meted out fairly within an imperfect system. There can be no compensation for wrongful conviction after an execution.

    'Cowardice' seems like a melodramatic way of putting opposition to the death penalty. There are plenty of reasons to be against it.

    Two eye witnesses is plenty good enough evidence for conviction.
    Are you serious? Nine wasn't enough. Eye witness testimony on any phenomenon is notoriously unreliable, let alone at night in the fray of a beating/murder. It's not as though people were walking up to the confrontation and analyzing the participants' faces so that they wouldn't contribute to a case of mistaken identity later.

    Murder weapons, photographic evidence, forensic evidence . . . if you have to condemn a man to death, solid proofs like these are what you need to do it.

    I have no problem with the Death Penalty but I do have a problem when the state kills a innocent person then to add insult to injury covering it up.
    Then you have a problem with the death penalty, because the existence of the institution is supported by such cover ups. If states were continually listing off the number of suspect cases and the reasons why, eventually people would loose their enthusaism for the practice.
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    Re: US death row inmate loses bid to prove his innocence

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    A society unable to remove certain elements from within due to cowardice troubles me more.
    I'd say being afraid of killing an innocent person is not something that you should consider a weakness.
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    Re: US death row inmate loses bid to prove his innocence

    I find it troubling that eye witness testimony is used in the first place. If the only evidence is eye witness testimony then the case should never be tried. Eye witness testimony is the most unreliable evidence there is. Seriously, just because they raise there right hand and say they're telling the truth means we should believe them. That's insane.
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    Re: US death row inmate loses bid to prove his innocence

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
    I find it troubling that eye witness testimony is used in the first place. If the only evidence is eye witness testimony then the case should never be tried. Eye witness testimony is the most unreliable evidence there is. Seriously, just because they raise there right hand and say they're telling the truth means we should believe them. That's insane.
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    Re: US death row inmate loses bid to prove his innocence

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Two eye witnesses is plenty good enough evidence for conviction.
    what if one of them is actually being implicated in teh crime by the recanting witnesses?
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    Re: US death row inmate loses bid to prove his innocence

    Davis was given an opportunity to present new evidence at a hearing in federal court in Savannah in June 2010, but he put on only a paucity of testimony. He did not take the stand in his defense, and not call Sylvester Coles (the primary witness) as a witness. He also did not call some of the other witnesses who had given affidavits on his behalf, even though some of them were present in the courthouse.

    And not a single witness was willing to recant officially in a court of law.

    This piece of trash killed an off duty cop.

    Fry him. The police officer's family has suffered enough of this murderer still breathing.

    Dan,

    Did you even bother to read about what he presented and didn't present in his second case before running up the innocent banner?

    http://www.connectsavannah.com/news/article/102444/
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    Re: US death row inmate loses bid to prove his innocence

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    what if one of them is actually being implicated in teh crime by the recanting witnesses?
    Then why didn't he call them in his second try? Why didn't he call himself? Does this sound like an innocent man to you?
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    Re: US death row inmate loses bid to prove his innocence

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here is the problem I have with this decision:

    1) In America, the burden is on the prosecution to show, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the defendant is guilty.

    2) Seven of the nine witnesses for the state say that they were pressured by police to implicate the defendant.

    3) The state's total case rested upon this testimony, as there was no other evidence linking him to the crime.

    4) If the testimony is coerced, then the testimony is not any good.

    5) If the testimony is not any good, then at the very least, reasonable doubt exists.

    So why must the defendant have to prove himself innocent, especially after prosecutorial misconduct in his trial? It does not make sense to me. And, if it turns out that the defendant is indeed innocent, then he is today's poster boy on why the death penalty should be abolished. I believe that this will go back to SCOTUS, which will overturn the verdict and sentence.

    On another note, this happened in Georgia, which makes me very happy, as the spotlight will be off Texas for a few days, well at least for a couple of days anyways.

    Article is here.
    Yet more backwards southern justice.... that the Scotus didn't have the ball-balls to correct.

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