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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It seems that you create logic boxes that demand I accept your pre-conceived conclusion or admit I'm an uneducated hypocritical dolt.

    I realize the source of the eggs, the source of the cells. The issue isn't the source, but the moral and ethical grounding for taking what would be an otherwise viable human and using it for research.

    If the Embryonic Stem Cell research is as potentially productive as the claims would have it, then private funding can have it. Federal Funds should not have anything to do with it.
    This has long been my primary objection to federal funding of stem cell research. If this is truly viable as a medical procedure more than a science lab theoretical pipe dream, then wouldn't medical companies be fully funding it? To my knowledge there has NEVER...not EVER been a ban on funding of stem cell research of any type. the ONLY 'ban' has been on FEDERAL funding of embryonic stem cell research.

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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    That's all that really matter to you? How Obama looks.

    You couldn't care less about Stem Cell research or the real issue, but as long as it can be used against Obama...
    Nothing to see here folks, move along.

    Let's see are the marvels as a result of EMBRYONIC stem cell research.
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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    This has long been my primary objection to federal funding of stem cell research. If this is truly viable as a medical procedure more than a science lab theoretical pipe dream, then wouldn't medical companies be fully funding it? To my knowledge there has NEVER...not EVER been a ban on funding of stem cell research of any type. the ONLY 'ban' has been on FEDERAL funding of embryonic stem cell research.
    No, the private sector won't necessarily fund it. If it is too risky, creates too much liability, or the profit potential is not certain enough, they will pass. Vaccines and antibiotics are probably the two most beneficial medical interventions in history, yet neither is pursued by private industry with the same vigor as more profitable (still beneficial) products, such as statin drugs for cholesterol.

    This is the problem with relying on private enterprise for everything. Most of the time the profit motive roughly aligns with public interest, but not always. This is one case where it does not.

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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Embryonic stem cells are a dead-end technology. There is always potential rejection issues when you implant the tissue into the patient if you use embyonic stem cells. The wave of the future is induced pluripotent stem cells, as there are no possible rejection issues since the tissue is derived from the patient's own cells. These also avoid the moral issues raised with destroying embryos to harvest the cells.

    So the federal government should not even be funding embryonic stem cell technology.

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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Wow, the adminstration is suing everything these days.
    Actually, they didn't sue. They were sued, and are now appealing the lower court's decision.
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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Embryonic stem cells are a dead-end technology. There is always potential rejection issues when you implant the tissue into the patient if you use embyonic stem cells. The wave of the future is induced pluripotent stem cells, as there are no possible rejection issues since the tissue is derived from the patient's own cells. These also avoid the moral issues raised with destroying embryos to harvest the cells.

    So the federal government should not even be funding embryonic stem cell technology.
    what he said...

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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Quote Originally Posted by truthseekr View Post
    No, the private sector won't necessarily fund it. If it is too risky, creates too much liability, or the profit potential is not certain enough, they will pass. Vaccines and antibiotics are probably the two most beneficial medical interventions in history, yet neither is pursued by private industry with the same vigor as more profitable (still beneficial) products, such as statin drugs for cholesterol.

    This is the problem with relying on private enterprise for everything. Most of the time the profit motive roughly aligns with public interest, but not always. This is one case where it does not.
    Im pretty sure that was the point. If there is profit potential they would develop it. I dont know enough about it to speak on stem cell research but I DO believe this emphasis on embryonic stem cell research becomes more an issue of we can vs we should. 20-30 years from now will we be looking at trillions of dollars spent on research and sit back and go...huh...THAT was a waste of time and money...

    I would actually prefer to see all the universities and labs team up...go to maybe one or two major research institutes. Better maximize resources.

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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    what he said...
    It's actually not too complicated. A stem cell basically can basically form any kind of tissue you want based on the cells around it. This is why they are valuable.

    Embryonic stem cells come, obviously, from embryos. Embryos contain some traces of the mother, even if you remove the DNA. So this is why if you develop tissue from embryonic stem cells you are going to run into the issue of rejection.

    Induced pluripotent stem cells are pretty amazing. You can take any of your cells, transfect with viruses to change the DNA to get it to become a stem cell (though better methods are being developed since transfection can lead to tumors). Rejection would be impossible with this method, and there is no moral opposition to this method.

    Which is why I say that embryonic stem cells are a worthless endeavor and induced pluripotent stem cells are where the funding should go.

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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    appears the court made the right decision, time to repeal this stupid law though.
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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Apples and Oranges buddy. WWII is not the same as this, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed TO SAVE LIVES, or did you miss that part?
    The problem, and why you hate these debates it would seem, is that you lack perspective, historical understanding or even common sense it would appear.
    Your comments are NOT Consistent. So you're COOL with killing embroy's, but ending WWII in a manner that saved millions was evil. You have no moral compass sir.
    And stem cell reasearch isn't done to save lives? Of course it is.
    And no, I'm not cool with "killing embroy's" or as I assume you mean, killing embryos. Who is? This debate has nothing do with killing embryos. It has to do with using embryos that are going to be discarded for stem cell research. As most of your arguments are, that one was a straw man.

    We killed a quarter of a million people when we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and thousands more died each year after that. They were mostly innocent civilians.

    The bottom line is that I wasn't comparing Hiroshima to stem cell research. They're not comparable in the least. I was pointing out that the opponents of stem cell research often claim to be inspired by their regard for how precious life is, but couldn't care less about the lives of innocent people elsewhere. And since you appear to be unsymptathetic to the hundreds of thousands of innocent lives lost in Japan, it would appear that my argument is entirely valid.
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