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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It seems that you create logic boxes that demand I accept your pre-conceived conclusion or admit I'm an uneducated hypocritical dolt.
    A simple "yes, I am also against IVF" would have sufficed, but far be it from me to interrupt a rant.
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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Where are people getting the idea that "life is created just to be destroyed?"
    Many of the embryos come from fertility clinics, where life is being created... to create life. That process leaves leftover embryos, if you'll forgive the term, because the success rate is so low they have to attempt multiple embryos at a time. These embryos can either go in a burner or into a lab where they might help save lives. Unless you oppose IVF, in which case your opposition to use of these embryos almost makes sense.
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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Where are people getting the idea that "life is created just to be destroyed?"
    Many of the embryos come from fertility clinics, where life is being created... to create life. That process leaves leftover embryos, if you'll forgive the term, because the success rate is so low they have to attempt multiple embryos at a time. These embryos can either go in a burner or into a lab where they might help save lives. Unless you oppose IVF, in which case your opposition to use of these embryos almost makes sense.
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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Where are people getting the idea that "life is created just to be destroyed?"
    Many of the embryos come from fertility clinics, where life is being created... to create life. That process leaves leftover embryos, if you'll forgive the term, because the success rate is so low they have to attempt multiple embryos at a time. These embryos can either go in a burner or into a lab where they might help save lives. Unless you oppose IVF, in which case your opposition to use of these embryos almost makes sense.
    And Bush approved of that too. So do most pro-lifers. He didn't approve of creating life to destroy it. Apparently the researchers want more than leftovers.

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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Actually this is not entirely true. There is no evidence that adult stem cells are any more likely to be rejected by the host body than their embryonic counterparts. More strides have been made with adult stem cells simply because they've been funded longer, but the potential for embryonic stem cells is very exciting. Adult stem cells are also a pretty big pain to keep around from what I understand (I never personally worked with the adult model, so you'd have to ask someone more familiar with them than myself). Embryonic stem cells are pretty simple to keep up in my experience.
    Don't really want to debate this with you because I'm no expert. I've just heard things that say the opposite. That great strides are being made with adult, and embryonic has been quite a disapointment.
    Either way I'm still against creating life to destroy it with tax payer money. Leftovers from fertility clinics with the biological parents approval would be Ok since they'll be destroyed anyway.

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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Leftovers from fertility clinics with the biological parents approval would be Ok since they'll be destroyed anyway.
    Hey, that's pretty reasonable of you! I'm glad to hear it So you must oppose the federal ban then, because the leftovers from the fertility clinics with the biological parents' approval are the ones being banned.

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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Is the human embryo more valuable than the human fetus? It's legal to suck the life out of a pre-born child yet illegal to harvest an embryo to save a babies life.

    Wow, is this country ever screwed up....
    Yes. Seriously. The law should be changed to stop the murder of babies.

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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Even if it is true that adult stem cells produce "greater strides," there are nevertheless qualities of embryonic stems cells that adult stem cells do not have. Adult and embryonic stem cells are different, so different research can be achieved with both. Why foreclose any avenue of research?
    Because we shouldn't get in the habit of murdering babies to cure their elders?

    Because medicine once had somethin called ethics, and those are going away to chase the dollar?

    We simply don't have enough embryonic stem cell lines under the ban to do meaningful research on them, so who knows what is waiting around the corner.
    Actually, Europe doesn't have these bans. Nor does Canada or Japan nor Autralia. For some reason those countries are suddenly so backwards technologically that their efforts to produce anything useful from dead babies have all failed? Only with dollars stolen from Americans morally opposed to using dead babies to advance the bank accounts of medicine will the Magic Key be unlocked?

    Hmmm? Researchers around the world are withering on the vine because little old US of A has a law preventing the slaughter of babies for medical research?

    That make a lot of sense to you?

    Really?

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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    We absolutely need to fund stem cell research some more, this stuff is fascinating and could really pave the way for future health care.
    If it has market potential then let private investors put up their own money for the job.

    Just like the Mafia does.

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    Re: U.S. court rules against Obama's stem cell policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Where are people getting the idea that "life is created just to be destroyed?"
    Many of the embryos come from fertility clinics, where life is being created... to create life. That process leaves leftover embryos, if you'll forgive the term, because the success rate is so low they have to attempt multiple embryos at a time. These embryos can either go in a burner or into a lab where they might help save lives. Unless you oppose IVF, in which case your opposition to use of these embryos almost makes sense.
    Yes.

    In vitro fertilization is flawed technology and should be removed from the market until such time it is no longer producing more people than incubators exist to grow.

    That what you wanted to hear? That some of us aren't bothered that some physically defective people won't be able to pass their genes on to the future? Well, that's how it works in nature, and four billion years of evolution can't be all wrong. Let the scientists perfect their technique with dogs and chimps before unacceptably creating too many people in their petry dishes.

    That plain enough?

    No?

    Then let's just say that someone's non-existent right to make copies of their DNA does not extend to a right to intentionally create more people than can be grown into adults.

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