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Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

I guess the Constitution is an inconvenient document to some people...

Pretty pathetic, if you ask me, that a freedom loving country can be so bigoted and politically correct...

Thanks MSNBC and MoveOn for dumbing down our country and wiping your ass with the Bill of Rights. 'Freedom of Speech and Assembly (except against Islam)'. Idiots!

Seriously Hazl, what you'r doing is no different than what they're doing. They're using their CONSTITUTIONAL right to free speech to speak against something, just as you are.


It cracks me up how liberals who are always offened about everything, deny someone else's right to be offended unless they agree.
 
I think MO on Islam is pretty much right on target unfortunately. If you want to cut them slack when they treat women like dogs, fine, but don't expect me or others to do it.

Who let you in on how Muslim women are treated? Yeah, I routinely beat up any Muslim women who looks at me wrong or doesn't deliver me my dinner warm and on ****ing time ...















































Wait wut?
 
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Who let you in on how Muslim women are treated? Yeah, I routinely beat up any Muslim women who looks at me wrong or doesn't deliver me my dinner warm and on ****ing time ...

I know its hard to believe but you aren't the only alleged Muslim woman out there.

Are you trying to tell us sexism doesn't exist in Islamic society?
 
I know its hard to believe but you aren't the only alleged Muslim woman out there.

Are you trying to tell us sexism doesn't exist in Islamic society?

I'm not saying ****.

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Examples have been used of Muslims in European communities as an example, but that is hardly a basis for "Muslims don't assimilate" as a general rule. I am truly unaware of problems in our country form Muslims not "assimilating". Seems like if this were a widespread truth, examples would have been rampant and everyone would "know" this. But, I don't. I am eager to have a plethora of examples in this country for this truism posted by those claiming "Muslims don't assimilate".
I suggest they not start with the ones working for us in the Pentagon, those Imams in interfaith groups, or the 30 killed in the towers. Those would not be good examples.
Thanks for any and all clarification......
 
It cracks me up how liberals who are always offened about everything, deny someone else's right to be offended unless they agree.

No one is denying your right to be offended by offensive things.

But when it's our most basic values and principals that offend you...
 
improving west-muslim relations is cordoba's basic value

it's not working

sorry
 
It cracks me up how liberals who are always offened about everything, deny someone else's right to be offended unless they agree.

it always cracks me up how conservatives always use sweeping generalisations in lieu of an actual point or counterpoint.
 
it always cracks me up how conservatives always use sweeping generalisations in lieu of an actual point or counterpoint.


It always cracks me up when liberals expect any given person to keep a separate folder of all the dumb **** they say so that in the future it can be brought out, instead of just admitting their dishonesty.


j-mac
 
It always cracks me up when liberals expect any given person to keep a separate folder of all the dumb **** they say so that in the future it can be brought out, instead of just admitting their dishonesty.


j-mac

ok, howabout you find just one single liberal that's offended by everything.

the problem with partisan hacks, like goldengirl, is they'll take one comment, by one person of one political persuasion, and apply it to all simply 'cause they disagree with it.
 
ok, howabout you find just one single liberal that's offended by everything.

the problem with partisan hacks, like goldengirl, is they'll take one comment, by one person of one political persuasion, and apply it to all simply 'cause they disagree with it.


and, in this case, the person (zyphlin) wasn't even of the political persuasion.
 
Who let you in on how Muslim women are treated? Yeah, I routinely beat up any Muslim women who looks at me wrong or doesn't deliver me my dinner warm and on ****ing time ...Wait wut?

Do you agree there is inequality between men and women according to Sharia Law? This isn't minor inequality it is a huge gap when punishments are doled out to women.
 
Do you agree there is inequality between men and women according to Sharia Law? This isn't minor inequality it is a huge gap when punishments are doled out to women.

This is an American issue. What goes on in other countries does not apply here. The Sharia Law you are speaking of will never be allowed here. There is nothing to fear, here.
 
How is it that Islam wants to bring tolerance to New York yet will not allow tolerance in their Holiest place? Location is the issue, not a tower, and Christ has little to do with it other than what I've already explained. So how is it that tolerance is to be projected in NY but cannnot be in Mecca. There's your introduction into hypocrisy which may be well tolerated in Islam, but it's not elsewhere.

Tell you what - the Imam allows Christians and Jews access to this "Islamic Center" to pray and "bring people together" and actually follows through on it, I'll change my mind. Until then, intolerance complaining about other intolerance is hypocrisy. Which is why this isn't about religion, or freedoms or the Constitution --- Cordoba is right.

If the Muslims of the world wanted to show Americans the same kind of tolerance that Americans have shown them, all of your cities would be rubble by now. Mecca is not Manhattan. Manhattan was built on the idea that anyone with money could build whatever horrible tower or center they want. Mecca has different rules and always has.
 
50% of new york DEMS, according to marist, don't want it

how is mr rauf (and president pie-in-the-face) gonna improve relations with THEM?
 
The Sharia Law you are speaking of will never be allowed here. There is nothing to fear, here.

Ok, back after a forced vacation :shock:

Your idealistic view of Islamic immigration erroneously assumes that they will assimilate and become Americanized. Their religious fervor will wane and they will adopt our culture, spread out though the population, melt into the melting pot. The reality is, they don't. The vast majority congregate in Muslim enclaves, which is easy to understand. Common language, common belief, relative who helped them come over, easy access to halal items, etc. But the result is that they don't melt, they remain in lumps...


Allow the Muslim population to grow and their voting power grows as well. Sharia law is applied to parties who stipulate to it. The next logical step is, the application to Muslims, whether they want it to or not. And when their numbers are large enough, to you and I...or to your children and grandchildren.
 
Your idealistic view of catholic immigration erroneously assumes that they will assimilate and become Americanized. Their religious fervor will wane and they will adopt our culture, spread out though the population, melt into the melting pot. The reality is, they don't. The vast majority congregate in Irish enclaves, which is easy to understand. Common accent commief, relative who helped them come over, but the result is that they don't melt, they remain in lumps...

Someone could have just as easily said that back then, and you know what? They probably did.

Fear Fear Fear Fear

You seem to live off of it Ric.

But welcome back.
 
Someone could have just as easily said that back then, and you know what? They probably did.

Fear Fear Fear Fear

You seem to live off of it Ric.
Unless that changes, Muslims will continue to come into this country (and Europe). They will continue to increase their populations at a rate exceeding the non-Muslim population (though in the case of the US, they face competition from the Hispanic, illegal immigrants). While most of the Muslim population may not be "radicalized", there is, and will continue to be a significant portion that is. And that "radical" element will call the tune for the rest. Wait until their population becomes a large enough block that they are a factor in elections. If history is any judge for the future, then you can count on the Democrats selling their honor and their souls for that block of votes. Anything to stay in power.

The only way to stop that future from happening is to recognize that Islam is a greater threat than Communism could ever hope to be. There will have to be a watershed change in American politics and tolerance and a recognition that Islam is so significant a threat to the US that it cannot be afforded the protections of the 1st Amendment.



But welcome back.
;)
 
Unless that changes, Muslims will continue to come into this country (and Europe). They will continue to increase their populations at a rate exceeding the non-Muslim population (though in the case of the US, they face competition from the Hispanic, illegal immigrants). While most of the Muslim population may not be "radicalized", there is, and will continue to be a significant portion that is. And that "radical" element will call the tune for the rest. Wait until their population becomes a large enough block that they are a factor in elections. If history is any judge for the future, then you can count on the Democrats selling their honor and their souls for that block of votes. Anything to stay in power.

The only way to stop that future from happening is to recognize that Islam is a greater threat than Communism could ever hope to be. There will have to be a watershed change in American politics and tolerance and a recognition that Islam is so significant a threat to the US that it cannot be afforded the protections of the 1st Amendment.

;)

Gotcha.

So what do you propose we do? Deport all Muslims to Muslim land? Even the Muslims born in America?
 
Ok, back after a forced vacation :shock:

Your idealistic view of Islamic immigration erroneously assumes that they will assimilate and become Americanized. Their religious fervor will wane and they will adopt our culture, spread out though the population, melt into the melting pot. The reality is, they don't. The vast majority congregate in Muslim enclaves, which is easy to understand. Common language, common belief, relative who helped them come over, easy access to halal items, etc. But the result is that they don't melt, they remain in lumps...


Allow the Muslim population to grow and their voting power grows as well. Sharia law is applied to parties who stipulate to it. The next logical step is, the application to Muslims, whether they want it to or not. And when their numbers are large enough, to you and I...or to your children and grandchildren.

So you only support democracy when you are a member of the majority?
 
Gotcha.

So what do you propose we do? Deport all Muslims to Muslim land? Even the Muslims born in America?

Jet - In this country, what percentage of the VOTING population determines who is president and who runs the senate and house?

Give me a number
 
Give me an answer.

lol, ok

I'd say about 10...10%. We have pretty decent splits between conservative and liberal and it is that SWING vote that makes the decision.
 
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