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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What I actually say, or what you read into my comments? Seriously, I believe you only see what you want to see and only hear what you want to hear. But in any case, the point is, address who you are talking to and the points that person makes. Do that and perhaps we can get somewhere.
    Unlikely, seeing as most of your arguments are shaded in nuance enough to allow you to change them on a dime. That kind of dishonesty is fun to banter with, but wholly unserious in ability to see anything other than what you wish the debate to be. I still like ya though Joe, you are fun to argue with, and give me great insight in what to expect from other liberals in real life when talking issues.


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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Unlikely, seeing as most of your arguments are shaded in nuance enough to allow you to change them on a dime. That kind of dishonesty is fun to banter with, but wholly unserious in ability to see anything other than what you wish the debate to be. I still like ya though Joe, you are fun to argue with, and give me great insight in what to expect from other liberals in real life when talking issues.


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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    What was "horrible" about the World trade center? Please do explain.
    It was a symbol of world usury, backed up by private and public armies.

    It symbolized the impoverishment of the great masses of humanity in order to create a gilded elite of super-accountants.

    we love the material idols on TV and never question the division of labor that ruins our daily lives

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qatzel Ok View Post
    It was a symbol of world usury, backed up by private and public armies.

    It symbolized the impoverishment of the great masses of humanity in order to create a gilded elite of super-accountants.

    Yeah, them accountants are really rakin' it in ...

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I'm not scared. I don't feel threatened. That's because I believe that freedom is greater than Islam. Liberty will prevail if such a scenario as you have hypothetically proffered.

    So you believe freedom is the natural state of the world and doesn't need to be protected or fought for?

    You're certainly not alone in this perception, Independent Thinker, and they felt the same way in Western Europe as well.

    This is why Islam will win and freedom will lose.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Obamanator View Post
    Muslims are less than 1% of of US population so numbers aren't there for them to be a political force anytime soon.... unless they plan on doing a whole lotta f..ing.
    LOL!!

    That's what they said in Europe at one time too! It's like deja vu all over again!

    Continue to abort your babies while Muslims continue to have several of them, and in a couple of generations it's all over.

    They know that but the majority in the Western democracies don't. This dumbing down of western culture has proved to be fatal.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Qatzel Ok View Post
    It was a symbol of world usury, backed up by private and public armies.

    It symbolized the impoverishment of the great masses of humanity in order to create a gilded elite of super-accountants.
    A gilded elite of super-accountants?

    Hmmm. It's all starting to add up!

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you believe freedom is the natural state of the world and doesn't need to be protected or fought for?

    You're certainly not alone in this perception, Independent Thinker, and they felt the same way in Western Europe as well.

    This is why Islam will win and freedom will lose.
    No, I don't believe that it is the "natural" state of the world. I believe that once people taste freedom, they will do whatever to maintain it.

    I am not convinced that Western Europe has lost it's freedom.
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    No, I don't believe that it is the "natural" state of the world. I believe that once people taste freedom, they will do whatever to maintain it.

    I am not convinced that Western Europe has lost it's freedom.
    I'm not convinced at all people will do what they can to maintain it. That's not what history tells us, or how they can possibly repel the new war tactics which are now in place.

    People will lose their freedom an inch at a time, hardly noticing until it disappears altogether. Each successive generation will grow up thinking the status quo is normal , having never lived to enjoy pure freedom themselves. Politicians and charlatans will offer you more "rights and freedoms', fed to the populace as social programs, and soon you are dependent, and thus quite unfree.

    Others will convince you that your people and society are corrupt and you should change to a better world with a better, more fair, system. Theirs.

    Charlatans like Barrack Obama and his handlers convinced the American people to lose their freedoms more than an inch at a time, and most people are finally catching on. Some fools don't, however, and they'll ruin America for everyone.

    So if the Muslims don't get you, and they probably will over time, the Socialists will. Either way, America as it once was is screwed, just as is Western Europe.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Grant, what do you honestly think will happen if Muslims somehow became a majority in America? Do you honestly believe Shariah Law will be introduced? Do you think somehow the US Constitution will disappear? That somehow, Muslims will make America an Islamic state?

    The only word that accurately describes that is deluded.

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