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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Close only counts in hand grenades and nuclear bombs. And I repeat, McVey was a Christian. Are all Chrisitans tainted? The Klan is Christian. Are all Christians tainted? You have no more reason to be insulted by Muslims than you do Christians.

    And I am not misrepresenting anything. There is nothing to support the claims of opposition to this Iman either. You have to misread his comments to get their. A Beckish type misreading. And to be insulted, you have to cnsider all muslims equa to Al Qaeda. Much like someone would have to paint all Christians as McVey or the Klan. There is no real around that.

    Liberals in one fashion or another have done that ever since that day in OK. That you now somehow want to weasel out of your gross generalization because it suits your argument is silly Joe.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    The most glaring problem with your comment, is that it is a mosque. They will be building a mosque at that location. Once construction is complete, a mosque will exist. Muslims will be entering the building with the specific purpose of praying and worshiping their God, the very definition of a mosque. There will, of course, be other facilities at that location in addition to the mosque, But the talking point that it is not a mosque is just silly.
    What part of Freedom of Religion don't you understand?

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Absolutely. And if the Klan bombed a, lets say, black day care center in the name of Christianity, I'd say it'd be pretty tactless to then turn around and try to build a Church near it that's specifically trying to tie itself to those attacks by trying to "build bridges" that the attack torre down while having a great deal of protests from Blacks who find it disrespectful to the memory of the dead.
    Would that be kinda like AL Queda bombing the WTC to protest US middle east policy?
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    It's a community centre where anyone can go... do Muslims go into Christain Churches or Synagogues and start praying? I mean if you REALLY REALLY feel that you have to go pray in a Muslim Prayer Room be my guest Jet Pack.
    They will not be offering religious services for any non-Muslim members of the community, they will be offering religious services to only Muslims, non-Muslims will be allowed entry the same as anyother Mosque so that they may receive Dawa.

    Mosque - any place of Muslim worship. A jami-masjid or Friday Mosque is a major mosque where weekly prayer services are performed and a sermon or khutbah is given.

    It's literally the textbook defintion of a Mosque.

    Does it matter? I Mean surely ANY muslim place of worship COULD teach Sharia Law, why not tear them all down?
    The Imam is a proponent of Sharia law he is an Islamist, he has every right to support Sharia but we have every right to label him is the Islamist theocrat radical that he is without being labeled bigots for speaking the truth.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Except you didn't use my logic, in the least. You made one statement that was HIGHLY questionable in accuracy and even if it was true has NO facts to back it up as being motivation in the least for his attacks. Your second one doesn't disprove or counter what I said, simply reenforces it. Your third is worthless generalization that has nothing to do with what I did.

    I SPECIFICALLY was highlighting how specifically these individuals and those they were tied to were SPECIFICALLY motivated, inspired, justified in their minds, and made comfortable with their methods, by their religion.

    You just posted a bunch of fraudulent, irrelevant, or pointless statements.
    You missed a lot. As those building the Mosuque are not the highjackers, they are novated then Christans would be by the things that either the Klan or McVey were motivated by, though both used the Bible to justify their acts to ne degree or another.

    So, when you use the highjackers use of religion, you are doing just what I presented. The people building the Mosque or in no way linked to the highjackers. So the highjackers reasoning cannot be use to justify objecting to the Mosque.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    What you're not understanding is that the fringe-right, Newt, Sean, Glenn, having been ginning this thing up and painting an false picture of Imam and the Center.
    Nothing false about it, it's a Mosque not a community center, and this Imam supports Sharia, he is an Islamist.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Liberals in one fashion or another have done that ever since that day in OK. That you now somehow want to weasel out of your gross generalization because it suits your argument is silly Joe.

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    Gross generalization: Liberals in one fashion or another have done that ever since that day in OK.

    Now, simply address the point made if you can.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    What part of Freedom of Religion don't you understand?
    I suspect it's the same part of Freedom of Speech that you're having so much trouble with.
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    True or false - The majority of coalition forces fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are Christian.

    True or false - A large number of coalition forces pray to a christian god regularly.

    True or false - Some of the soldiers see themselves fighting against an evil religion(Islam).

    See, using your method, I just created a holy war in the Middle East.
    True or false the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not being conducted in the name of Christianity.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Two questions, How many faiths will they allow to have services in their mosque....er, uh....Community center? And, will they be teaching Shria law in that place?


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