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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    But we aren't attacking them, we just don't want their mosque built so close to ground zero. The mosque is a reminder of Islam, and AlQaeda attacked us because of their disjointed application of Islamic law. It's too close for comfort. Plus we aren't quite sure of the Iman's motives.

    Everybody gets it. We want them to be sensitive to our feelings because many NY'ers are still living with the pain daily. If they don't want to make this exception, then I'd say they really aren't with us as comrades.
    Actually, it's hard not to call opposing their center anything less than an attack. And it treats them as if they are Al Qaeda. remember, al Qaeda attacked us. Muslims as a whole did not.

    As for the reasons Al Qaeda attacked us, you may want to investigate that further. Many who do bad things use a religuous undertone. Hitler blessed planes, for example. The Klan is heavily steeped in relgious rhetoric. But, their goals and actions are less religous then they are motivated by other goals. I suggest this is just as true with Al Qaeda. bad people speak religion, but seldom if ever actually represent the religion. So the enemy here is not the religion, but those like Al Qaeda who use the rhetoric for other purposes.

    But at the end of the day, the flaw in the logic of those opposing the building is still that they see all Muslims as Al Qaeda, and that is no more accurate than seeing all Christians as the Klan, or as nazis, or any other group that has done evil in the world.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Actually, it's hard not to call opposing their center anything less than an attack. And it treats them as if they are Al Qaeda. remember, al Qaeda attacked us. Muslims as a whole did not.

    As for the reasons Al Qaeda attacked us, you may want to investigate that further. Many who do bad things use a religuous undertone. Hitler blessed planes, for example. The Klan is heavily steeped in relgious rhetoric. But, their goals and actions are less religous then they are motivated by other goals. I suggest this is just as true with Al Qaeda. bad people speak religion, but seldom if ever actually represent the religion. So the enemy here is not the religion, but those like Al Qaeda who use the rhetoric for other purposes.

    But at the end of the day, the flaw in the logic of those opposing the building is still that they see all Muslims as Al Qaeda, and that is no more accurate than seeing all Christians as the Klan, or as nazis, or any other group that has done evil in the world.
    Islam is a religion of inequality. Men and women, not. Christians and Muslims, not. From my understanding if Muslims don't believe in Sharia Law they are not true Muslims, and yes there are variations, but I think in some areas of Islam it will be hard to find true moderates. It is what it is.

    I don't see how they can truly assimilate in an egalitarian society such as ours.

    Is this mosque going to teach how to cut your wife's nose off if she glances at another man? Is this mosque going to teach how to not accept Christians, or anyone they feel is inferior? But.....oh it's not our business. I know, 1st Amendment rights.

    I think everyone needs to study Islam, and not just bits and pieces.

    Showing pies with how many Muslims there are should make us be a tad bit wary.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    Islam is a religion of inequality. Men and women, not. Christians and Muslims, not. From my understanding if Muslims don't believe in Sharia Law they are not true Muslims, and yes there are variations, but I think in some areas of Islam it will be hard to find true moderates. It is what it is.

    I don't see how they can truly assimilate in an egalitarian society such as ours.

    Is this mosque going to teach how to cut your wife's nose off if she glances at another man? Is this mosque going to teach how to not accept Christians, or anyone they feel is inferior? But.....oh it's not our business. I know, 1st Amendment rights.

    I think everyone needs to study Islam, and not just bits and pieces.

    Showing pies with how many Muslims there are should make us be a tad bit wary.

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    And yet, many Muslims live quite peacefully here. My brother-in-law's partner (doctors) is muslim and he's as peaceful as they come and his family functions quite well here.

    In any case, that has nothing to do with ground zero.




    BTW, I have done some college course work on major religions, including islam. Just letting you know.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    I think everyone needs to study Islam, and not just bits and pieces.
    Take your own advice.

    Go read the Qu'ran and hadiths and then come back and maybe your opinion on Islam will be worth something.


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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Apparently the disregard for feelings goes both ways.
    Absolutely true...

    It is not the Imam's fault that people are reacting so irrationally over this.
    It's his [and those with him] fault they claim to be "bridge builders" at a site where a 'bridge' was blown to smithereens. No sensisivity whatsoever to at least 150 MILLION americans who don't want this. If they truly cared about all muslims joining together with other americans... they would open up a public dialogue, so everyone could better understand why this location is so important to them.

    Why should he change his plans because some people cannot see past their own stereotypes?
    See above. According to your rational thought... the only clear thinking reasonable people are the iman and those like yourself. You fail to see the big picture.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And yet, many Muslims live quite peacefully here. My brother-in-law's partner (doctors) is muslim and he's as peaceful as they come and his family functions quite well here.

    In any case, that has nothing to do with ground zero.




    BTW, I have done some college course work on major religions, including islam. Just letting you know.
    You didn't address the inequality issue. Living peacefully is what you see and know.

    I don't like the idea of mosques going up teaching brutality towards women.
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Once more... Let them build their 13 story $100 million dollar shrine [by far the largest and most expensive US Mosque] Then the rest of american can fund and build a christian church next door... closer to GZ and triple the size and cost. Thats what this is about isn't it??? A few Muslims exercizing their rights by showing americans [and the rest of the world] their stength.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Take your own advice.

    Go read the Qu'ran and hadiths and then come back and maybe your opinion on Islam will be worth something.
    I think MO on Islam is pretty much right on target unfortunately. If you want to cut them slack when they treat women like dogs, fine, but don't expect me or others to do it.
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Take your own advice.

    Go read the Qu'ran and hadiths and then come back and maybe your opinion on Islam will be worth something.
    We have. Your suggestion is empty until you prove he hasn't read it.
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Obamanator View Post
    Once more... Let them build their 13 story $100 million dollar shrine [by far the largest and most expensive US Mosque] Then the rest of american can fund and build a christian church next door... closer to GZ and triple the size and cost. Thats what this is about isn't it??? A few Muslims exercizing their rights by showing americans [and the rest of the world] their stength.
    Exactly! They are putting us to the test. No matter what we do, it won't be right. I'm on the side that says waste as much of their time and money as possible.
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