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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

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    I know quite a few blacks who are truly born-agains Christians, but then there are others who go to church, but their pastors preach hate from the pulpit, Jeremiah Wright being one of them.
    All fundamentalist pastors teach hate, black or white makes no nevermind. Generally it's aimed at gays, but there's plenty of hate to go around once somebody puts themselves in the judgement seat of Moses.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

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    Run away? Nah..... I don't run away from you hero, you just begin to bore me and I lose interest with your obfuscation techniques...
    Say what you must to save face. But you haven't addressed the fundamental difference. Japan a country attaked us. Not their religion. Al Qaeda attacked us. Not their religion. When you oppose a muslim because of al Qaeda, you're saying all are responsible for anything done in their name. So, Chrisitans are responsible for Hitler's sins. Chrisitans are resposnible for the Klan's sins. You really are asking us to hold South Koera responsible for what Japan did because they worship similarly (assuming they do).
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    All fundamentalist pastors teach hate, black or white makes no nevermind. Generally it's aimed at gays, but there's plenty of hate to go around once somebody puts themselves in the judgement seat of Moses.
    I'm not a big Church guy but I've never personally seen hate. I've seen "hate the sin, love the sinner".
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    All fundamentalist pastors teach hate, black or white makes no nevermind. Generally it's aimed at gays, but there's plenty of hate to go around once somebody puts themselves in the judgement seat of Moses.
    My...how very intolerant and bigoted of you...Really??? ALL? And teaching adherence to standards is 'preaching hate'?

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm not a big Church guy but I've never personally seen hate. I've seen "hate the sin, love the sinner".
    I have - I was fundy from 14 to my late 30's. I didn't see hate when I went to a 'grace-based place' church, but I surely did when I went to Pentecostal. I walked out of a sermon when he was talking down about gays, and this was a pastor I'd had since the aforementioned age of 14. My sister is a lesbian, so. I wasn't going to sit there and listen to him badmouth her for being who she is.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Say what you must to save face. But you haven't addressed the fundamental difference. Japan a country attaked us. Not their religion. Al Qaeda attacked us. Not their religion. When you oppose a muslim because of al Qaeda, you're saying all are responsible for anything done in their name. So, Chrisitans are responsible for Hitler's sins. Chrisitans are resposnible for the Klan's sins. You really are asking us to hold South Koera responsible for what Japan did because they worship similarly (assuming they do).


    Save face? You made your usual ambiguous pontifications, obfuscated and claimed victory. You talk down to those who think the mosque is in poor taste (it is) including those of us who have lost loved ones in the 911 attacks. Your snotty incoherent ramblings permeate every post you make. People stop talking to you because you are boring and rarely say anything of substance. not because you have ever won an argument here at dp or that crap hole of a forum you came from.


    If you weren't such a raving partisan hack you would see how insensitive this mosque is and the clear attempts at antagonizing this imam is engaging in. As I stated before, he has every right to put said mosque there but only a blind fool would suggest that what he's doing is anything but being an antagonistic asshole.


    Putting a mosque there is no different than putting a japanese cultural center at pearl harbor. and while you bloviate on as if you had anything substantive to say. many muslims agree the mosque there is in poor taste, including at least one on this forum hero.
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Why wouldn't I? Illogic is illogic no matter who says it. I'll never understand why people argue something is more correct if the quote someone. Stupid is stupid no matter who says it. Wrong is wrong no matter who says otherwise. And illogical is illical regardless. You can't list quotes to dispute logic. Muslims were not the attakers. Al Qaeda was. That they were muslim or even attacking using the rethoric of the religion doesn't make all muslims al Qaeda any more then hitlre blessing plans makes all Christians nazis or the klan preahing the bible makes all christinas klan members. So, you have not yet address the argument I make.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    I think it's the Muslims place to take the lead and be sensitive to a nation who has been kind to them in ever so many ways. After 9/11 we could have rounded them all up and given them airfare back to their beloved ME country. Really this sensitivity crap goes both ways, and to me it's their turn. Take it or leave it. They need to take this opportunity to show that they really are sympathetic to all those who lost loved ones, and see that we have not entirely healed, and really how could we with so many people living who lost loved because of a religion that shows hatred towards anyone who isn't what they are.

    I don't know much about the Muslim faith, but it is still living in the 6th century. It's not progressed. This is dangerous. Until they will admit completely that 9/11 was done with hatred for us in the name of Allah, I don't think they are with us. And if you're not with us, it could be you are still against us. Trust has to be earned. This Imam hasn't done this. He's left the door wide open for criticism of him and his religion.

    My question is why can't they just put their mosque somewhere else, and forget about keeping it so close to 9/11 that it was damaged by debris and what not.

    They need to be sensitive. Not us. I'll like to see if they will be. Then maybe more healing will take place.
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Why wouldn't I? Illogic is illogic no matter who says it.
    Admitting your problem is the first step. Kudos to you.


    I'll never understand why people argue something is more correct if the quote someone. Stupid is stupid no matter who says it.

    Again introspection is a welcome change, kudos Boo.

    Wrong is wrong no matter who says otherwise. And illogical is illical regardless.
    Great job. getting that all out. Feel better hero?


    You can't list quotes to dispute logic.
    They dispute your opinion. There is just blind partisan hackery you call "logic"...


    Muslims were not the attakers. Al Qaeda was. That they were muslim or even attacking using the rethoric of the religion doesn't make all muslims al Qaeda any more then hitlre blessing plans makes all Christians nazis or the klan preahing the bible makes all christinas klan members. So, you have not yet address the argument I make.
    The Japanese citizens were not the attackers the japanese military was....





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