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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I'm not a blame America firster, nice label.
    That's odd, because I don't see a whole lot of talk about what America has done good in the world from you...If I am wrong about that I apologize.


    I know what good you stand for. But sometimes you have to aknowledge the wrong you've done as well.
    I agree, and I also believe that America has acknowledged when they have done harmful things, and further gone to extraordinary lengths to right those wrongs.

    No **** sherlock. It's whether those wars are nessecary such as hmm.... Iraq.
    Without debating the entire Iraq war, do you believe that an Iraq with Saddam Hussein still in power would have been a positive thing in the world today?

    That isn't what he's actually saying. Fact: You have killed more innocent muslims since 9/11 then got killed on 9/11. In fact you've lost more soldiers then people who died on 9/11.
    Yep, so we have shed our blood for their freedom...Nice of us isn't it?

    It is an evil thing. I'm sorry as painful as it is for you to think, those people in there deserve to have their cases heard by a judge and jury. If they are really terrorists, how hard could it be to prove your case?
    No, I don't think it is. Gitmo is a state of the art facility, these prisoners get better treatment there than anywhere else in the world. I do agree that the tribunals need to go forward, and are overdue, but why do you suppose they haven't? I mean, Obama said he was all about closing this place, and yet he is doing no different than Bush did....Might that tell you that it is just slightly more complicated than what you think?

    s it closed no. why is it not closed: Politics. I wish Obama would grow a pair and go for it anyway, but the Republicans would have a field day if he ever tried to shut it.
    Shouldn't matter. Obama said he was a principled man, and he'd rather be considered a great one termer, than a run of the mill two termer....Yeah right. Another lie.

    Praying for your defeat? I'm one of your allies, and if me saying trial by judge and jury and presumption of innocence is propoganda well then paint me Geobells.
    Well, let me back up a little. Sorry for the inflammatory tact on this part, I actually agree that the tribunals need to proceed. Unfortunately today it is all too easy to pick a side that one thinks is popular and go with it, and that brings in a sheepish mentality to the debate. I say try them, then execute them.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    To all terrorists worldwide...regardless of race, religion or creed...

    When you point a middle finger, there are four fingers pointing right back at you.

    we love the material idols on TV and never question the division of labor that ruins our daily lives

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Qatzel Ok View Post
    When you point a middle finger, there are four fingers pointing right back at you.
    Actually the other fingers are pointed down ...

    Welcome to the forum, by the way.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Actually the other fingers are pointed down ...

    Welcome to the forum, by the way.
    And there are only three of them, as well.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    To all terrorists worldwide...regardless of race, religion or creed...

    If that's what the new WTC is going to look like... WE ROCK!

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    But you aren't. I've seen pictures.
    Yeah but they don't know that. Those n00ds I sent are only for your eyes


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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    No, I am currently reading other books.

    I have no doubt tho that you'll post a very detailed review of why the gentlemen is a terrorist in disguise
    The title is enough. No need to read the book.
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Wrong, I've looked at the entire transcript from the 60 minutes interview where he blamed the United States for 9-11 and said OBL was made in the USA, I've listened to the entire podcast of the WABC radio interview where he repeatedly refused to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization, I've read the entire article he wrote supporting Sharia, and I've watched the entire video where he compares the United States unfavorably to Al-Qaeda.
    Did you see the video of Glenn Beck agreeing with Imam Rauf and calling him a "good Muslim?" .....

    During the ABC segment, Rauf condemned the extremists who issued death threats against the Pope and political cartoonists, specifically saying that "these reactions are not at all called for by Islamic teaching. The teachings of Islam are very similar to the teachings of Christianity, of loving the one God and loving thy neighbor. These are the two common principles."

    When Diane Sawyer mentioned that Imam Rauf says the radicals are just a "group of people" and "not him," Beck seemed to agree, saying "sure, sure." He added, "I believe it's a small portion of Islam that is acting in these ways."

    Beck, for his part, even appeared to gesture to Imam Rauf when he invoked the idea of "good Muslims." (At about 2:45.)

    FLASHBACK: In 2006 joint appearance, Beck*appeared to*call Imam Rauf a "good Muslim" | Media Matters for America
    Did you know Imam Rauf attended the memorial of Daniel Pearle and referred to himself as both a Jew and a Christian and in doing so put his own life at risk? ....

    O Lord, we are people who are not usually in the same room with one another, and all too rarely with an opportunity to talk to each other.

    We are people of faith and perhaps people without any professed religion: practicing and perhaps not. Today we are members of many faiths: Christian, Jew and Muslim. But we have come together to confirm the common ground of our faiths, on which we all stand united, to assert our common values, values that constrain us to act in the highest sense of what it means to be human.

    We are here to assert the Islamic conviction of the moral equivalency of our Abrahamic faiths. If to be a Jew means to say with all one's heart, mind and soul Shma` Yisrael, Adonai Elohenu Adonai Ahad; hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One, not only today I am a Jew, I have always been one, Mr. Pearl.

    If to be a Christian is to love the Lord our God with all of my heart, mind and soul, and to love for my fellow human being what I love for myself, then not only am I a Christian, but I have always been one Mr. Pearl.

    And I am here to inform you, with the full authority of the Quranic texts and the practice of the Prophet Muhammad, that to say La ilaha illallah Muhammadun rasulullah is no different. It expresses the same theological and ethical principles and values.

    We are here especially to seek your forgiveness and of your family for what has been done in the name of Islam.
    http://www.bj.org/wp-content/uploads...l_memorial.pdf
    Did you know Imam Rauf has repeatedly condemned Muslim terrorism, terrorists and anyone who uses violence in the name of religion? .....

    A May 21 New York Daily News article quoted Rauf stating: "We condemn terrorists. We recognize it exists in our faith, but we are committed to eradicate it." He also stated: "We want to rebuild this community. ... This is about moderate Muslims who intend to be and want to be part of the solution."

    An August 2 Slate.com article reported that Rauf "has denounced church burnings in Muslim countries, rejected Islamic triumphalism over Christians and Jews, and proposed to reclaim Islam from violent radicals such as Osama Bin Laden."

    A June 23, 2004, New York Times article reported that Rauf "condemns suicide bombings and all violence carried out in the name of religion." The Times further reported that Rauf "meets regularly with Christian and Jewish leaders, not only to forge a common front but also to explain his belief that Islamic terrorists do not come from another moral universe -- that they arise from oppressive societies that he feels Washington had a hand in creating."

    A June 8, 2004, Newsday article (accessed via Nexis) reported: "Rauf has done little else since the terrorist attacks that pulled him from his mahogany pulpit in the shadow of Ground Zero. At the outset, he categorically condemned suicide bombers and, in fact, any violence committed in the name of religion."

    According to a September 8, 2002, Denver Post article (from Nexis), Rauf told congregants at his Manhattan mosque: "I can confidently assert that I am closer to my Jewish and Christian brothers here a [sic] than the Muslim militants carrying a narrow view."

    A May 21 Daily News editorial stated that Rauf "has a long history of opposing radical teachings and reaching out across religious lines to Christians and Jews. He leads a mosque in Tribeca, several of whose members were killed in the collapse of the World Trade Center."
    Did you know that Sharia Law and the Declaration of Independence are both grounded in the Laws of Nature and Natural Law?......

    In his 2004 book, What's Right With Islam, Rauf argued that the "American political structure is Shariah compliant" just like any other political structure that "upholds, protects, and furthers" the "God-given" rights of "life, mind (that is, mental well-being or sanity), religion, property (or wealth), and family (or lineage and progeny)." From What's Right With Islam:
    Grounding itself in reason, just as the Quran and the Abrahamic ethic did in asserting the self-evident oneness of God, the Declaration opens with the most important line in the document: "We hold these Truths to be self-evident." The language evokes the long tradition of natural law, which holds that there is a higher law of right and wrong from which to derive human law and against which human laws may be -- and ought to be -- measured. It is not political will but moral reasoning accessible to all that is the foundation of the American political system.

    But "nature," at least in the eyes of believers in God, is just another word for "God's creation," and thus natural law must mean "the laws that God established and structured creation on." These span the spectrum from the laws of the physical sciences such as mathematics, physics, biology, and chemistry to the sociological and psychological laws that govern human relationships, all of which are knowable to humans through reason. Thus the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence opens with the words "When ... it becomes necessary for one People ... to assume ... the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them" (italics added).

    To Muslims, the law decreed by God is called the Shariah, and therefore the "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" are by definition Shariah law. It is a law that has to appeal to human reason and be in accord with human nature, informing us that "a community based on ideas held in common is a far more advanced manifestation of human life than a community resulting from race or language or geographical location."
    Now you know the truth about Imam Rauf.

    If an overt Islamist is moderate then what's radical?
    A radical is someone who perverts the truth to fit their extremist political agenda. Just like what you do, Ferris.
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Moot said Did you see the video of Glenn Beck agreeing with Imam Rauf and calling him a "good Muslim?" .....

    LOL Did you?

    There's a thread on it. It's hilarious.
    Media Matters accuses him of endorsing Rauf because of a 2006 tape. The proof was Beck said sure..sure.. and it "looked" like Beck was jestering at the Imam went he said "good muslims"
    Beck dug up a Media Matters from 2006 where they used the very same tape and accused him of hating Muslims.
    Media Matters, what a joke.
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Moot said Did you see the video of Glenn Beck agreeing with Imam Rauf and calling him a "good Muslim?" .....

    LOL Did you?

    There's a thread on it. It's hilarious.
    Media Matters accuses him of endorsing Rauf because of a 2006 tape. The proof was Beck said sure..sure.. and it "looked" like Beck was jestering at the Imam went he said "good muslims"
    Beck dug up a Media Matters from 2006 where they used the very same tape and accused him of hating Muslims.
    Media Matters, what a joke.
    Thats what life is, a big cosmic joke. That's why I'm laughing at your "attack the messenger" fallacy instead of addressing Beck's hypocricy.

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