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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Okay yall. So what about the mosques that are already in the vicinity of ground zero? One's been there since 1970, the other 1985.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/ny...sque.html?_r=2
    Doesn't the fact that those aren't being protested kind of pop your "it's rampant Islamophobia!!!!!" balloon?

    And there's a simple answer as to why the protesters aren't interested in those, and if you don't know what it is, I don't think you understand the very basis of their protest.
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Okay yall. So what about the mosques that are already in the vicinity of ground zero? One's been there since 1970, the other 1985.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/ny...sque.html?_r=2
    Lets see:

    The Masjid Manhattan -> 4 blocks away, serviced by a different subway station, still within the area of the next major road. Plus built before hand. I don't find this tactless or wrong. Its not in what I'd consider the immediete vicinity and was already there, so my issues with the tactlessness and the duplicity is not present with it.

    Masjid al-Farah -> 11 blocks away, serviced by a different subway station, outside of the major road border I spoke of in past threads and almost on the other side of the NEXT major road. Plus was built prior to. No issues with it at all that makes me question the tactfulness or the legitimacy of it.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Okay yall. So what about the mosques that are already in the vicinity of ground zero? One's been there since 1970, the other 1985.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/ny...sque.html?_r=2
    #1 they are already there

    #2 none are as close as the Mosque being proposed is
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Doesn't the fact that those aren't being protested kind of pop your "it's rampant Islamophobia!!!!!" balloon?

    And there's a simple answer as to why the protesters aren't interested in those, and if you don't know what it is, I don't think you understand the very basis of their protest.

    I wouldn't say it does. There is still a real ingorance to the protesting. The building isn't on ground zero, Muslims didn't perpetrate 9/11 (al Qaeda did), and no evidence presented has shown any rational reason for the protesting. There is no more reason to even consider Muslims as an insult than there is to consider the Klan represents all Christians.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    the only "fact" I need is to know that without disappointment you once again rely on biased information to make your disingenuous arguments.
    Like always, when the facts don't support your argument, you run and hide.




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    Give me some examples please, I asked that earlier, and you didn't. Should I conclude that you don't have any?
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    As long as there not hurting anyone, or causing property damage I'm fine with them protesting. They have that right, even though I think there misguided, and will use my first amendment rights to call them out on that.
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Lets see:

    The Masjid Manhattan -> 4 blocks away, serviced by a different subway station, still within the area of the next major road. Plus built before hand. I don't find this tactless or wrong. Its not in what I'd consider the immediete vicinity and was already there, so my issues with the tactlessness and the duplicity is not present with it.

    Masjid al-Farah -> 11 blocks away, serviced by a different subway station, outside of the major road border I spoke of in past threads and almost on the other side of the NEXT major road. Plus was built prior to. No issues with it at all that makes me question the tactfulness or the legitimacy of it.
    And so this one is two long blocks, or the equivalent of six city blocks away, and CANNOT SO MUCH AS BE SEEN from ground zero, and in addition is not actually a mosque - what then becomes your reasoning.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I wouldn't say it does. There is still a real ingorance to the protesting. The building isn't on ground zero, Muslims didn't perpetrate 9/11 (al Qaeda did), and no evidence presented has shown any rational reason for the protesting. There is no more reason to even consider Muslims as an insult than there is to consider the Klan represents all Christians.
    True or False - The hijackers were willing to kill themselves in the midst of the attacks due to the belief it would make them a martyr and they would be rewarded for it in the afterlife based on their belief in Islam

    True or False - The hijackers and those pulling the strings of them hatred America in part because they view them as the "Great Satan" due to their religious beliefs?

    True or False - The hijackers and those pulling the strings are upset that Americans have been meddling in Middle Eastern affairs, and that is in part founded in the belief that they're desecrating the "Land of Islam". Specifically in its "Holiest of Places".

    True or False - The hijackers and/or those pulling the strings believe it is the duty of every *muslim* to kill americans due to the above?

    True or False - The hijackers and/or those pulling the strings justified these types of attacks due to the notion of killing Americans for the reasons above being "in accordance with the words of Might Allah"?

    True or False - The organization in question pulling the strings have followed through or spoke agreement with a Jihad, essentially a holy muslim struggle, based on a fatwa, a islamic opinion concerning islamic law issued by an islamic scholar, against the United States?

    Notice any similarity in all those things?

    Is Islam, ALL of islam, to blame for 9/11?

    Absolutely not.

    Is Islam unquestionably connected to the reasons, justifications, and methods in relation to how 9/11 occured?

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post

    How does building a Community Center
    They will not be offering religious services for any non-Muslim members of the community, they will be offering religious services to only Muslims, non-Muslims will be allowed entry the same as anyother Mosque so that they may receive Dawa.

    Mosque - any place of Muslim worship. A jami-masjid or Friday Mosque is a major mosque where weekly prayer services are performed and a sermon or khutbah is given.

    It's literally the textbook defintion of a Mosque.

    over a Burlington Coat Factory effect the dignity of 9/11 victims?
    The building was actually hit by a significant piece of one of the planes that struck the towers.

    I guess the Constitution is an inconvenient document...
    How does exercising ones freedom of speech for things which they disapprove of attempting to encourage others to exercise their right of self ownership by refusing to trade their labour for the capital of those who want the Mosque built, show contempt for the Constitution?

    Pretty pathetic, if you ask me, that a multi-cultured country can be so racist and xenophobic.
    What race is Islam exactly? This Imam is not a secular Muslim he is an Islamist and part of the problem with mainstream Islam today.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    and in addition is not actually a mosque - what then becomes your reasoning.
    The most glaring problem with your comment, is that it is a mosque. They will be building a mosque at that location. Once construction is complete, a mosque will exist. Muslims will be entering the building with the specific purpose of praying and worshiping their God, the very definition of a mosque. There will, of course, be other facilities at that location in addition to the mosque, But the talking point that it is not a mosque is just silly.

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