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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Dems aren't the only ones who believe the Constitution must trump our hate and fear of extremists. Many conservative do too. Unfortunately, too many conservatives have been misinformed by Fox and Newt; getting bad facts only corrupts the Free Speech.
    The fear, ignorance and hate is spreading. Now it's not just the mosque in Manattan that's facing this ****, but across America. I fear if it does not stop, and soon, we WILL have a holy war on our hands.

    BEIRUT: The heated debate across America over the construction of the so-called ''ground zero mosque'' is reverberating across the world, with the potential to create serious diplomatic problems for the US.

    Many Muslims abroad are upset by the debate, largely conducted by non-Muslims, which has grown so loud as to become a topic of discussion from Baghdad to Berlin.

    On Sunday, the area around the proposed project, two blocks from the former World Trade Centre site, drew hundreds of opponents, some carrying signs associating Islam with blood, and depicting American flags.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

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    The fear, ignorance and hate is spreading. Now it's not just the mosque in Manattan that's facing this ****, but across America. I fear if it does not stop, and soon, we WILL have a holy war on our hands.
    Please tell me you are kidding. How does wanting to move a Mosque away from ground zero not forbid it from being built or recognizing the law allows them to build translate into a Holy War?

    Explain yourself.
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

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    The fear, ignorance and hate is spreading. Now it's not just the mosque in Manattan that's facing this ****, but across America. I fear if it does not stop, and soon, we WILL have a holy war on our hands.

    BEIRUT: The heated debate across America over the construction of the so-called ''ground zero mosque'' is reverberating across the world, with the potential to create serious diplomatic problems for the US.

    Many Muslims abroad are upset by the debate, largely conducted by non-Muslims, which has grown so loud as to become a topic of discussion from Baghdad to Berlin.

    On Sunday, the area around the proposed project, two blocks from the former World Trade Centre site, drew hundreds of opponents, some carrying signs associating Islam with blood, and depicting American flags.
    I'll be you took a drama class in college didn't you? The sky isn't falling, so there's no need to overstate the issue. If muslims can't stand a cartoon of Mohammed in the papers, they should understand the sentiments of these NYers and others.
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    'Coz God knows there's never been religious tension across the globe before this happened. No way, no how.
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Here's the point Zyphlin:

    I'm all for Freedom of Speech -- but know what you're talking about or I'll exercise my 1st Amendment Rights to be very critical of your ignorant hateful ranting. (e.g. Fred Phelps)
    Sure, you be critical of their ranting, and i'll be critical of your hateful ignorant exaggerated and over generalized ranting as well. Welcome to America, your free speech is no more important or protected than anyone elses.

    These people who are against the Community Center, are full of Impotent Rage. They've had the truth distorted and reality all ginned up in their scared little heads. Now they're just spewing vile ignorance.
    Bull**** over generalization. You're showing as much "impotent rage" as most I've seen on the side opposite of you. You don't define reality, nor truth, and distortion and attempts at manipulation through the way in which things are presented or dismissed is hardly simply on one side of things. Your pathetic bull**** and hyperbole you're spewing out speaks as much of ignorance on issues as they are with your worthless and disgusting over generalizations.

    And, as I'm sure you know, there are limits to Free Speech. Should anyone cross the line and start talking about a criminal act against the Community Center in lower Manhattan... That speech is not protected.
    Indeed, please point out specific examples of peopel actually advocating criminal acts.

    More so, why don't you check yourself as you bitch about ignorance and bigotry and condemning large groups for the actions of a few as you make ridiculous over generalizations throughout your posts and rant on like a raving lunatic about thing such as pushing for criminal actions when that is far, far, FAR from what the majority of people against this mosque are advocating. The stench of hypocrisy coming off you is overwhelming.

    And the ignorant, bigoted crap being spewed yesterday is just a watered down version of that. That's the point.
    Bull****, absolute bull****. You want to act like you're the "conservative" in this and that you're standing up for free speech then you say this kind of hogwash. No, saying you don't want the mosque to be built there and it shouldn't be built there is not a "watered down version" of advocating CRIMINAL action. Your pathetic attempt of implying that it is such and thus should be treated similarly in its constitutional protection is disgusting as is your attempt to even think of considering yourself conservative.

    And if you ever want to address the real issue of associating an entire religeon with a tiny group of violent extremists, let me know. But your tired overgeneralized "moveon, Msnbc" rant is tiresome and boring.
    No, its associating a religion with the actions of a group of violent extremists in the NAME OF THAT RELIGION and the notion of how respectful it is to those that are going to wish to visit a place that is essentially akin to a national historical site, ala the U.S.S. Arizona, to have a place in the same general metro vicinity (2 blocks, and served by the WTC subway station) that's glorifying said religion and is attempting to use that place ot tell people they need to be "understanding" while they themselves not being understanding of the tens of thousands of Americans that don't wish to have a stark reminder of the largest negative feelings of that day standing right by the location.

    As I've said elsewhere, its tactless. It'd be tactless to build a bar immedietely on top of a location that just had 5 people die due to a drunk driving accident, to build a church on the land that 2 years before had an abortion clinic on it but was destroyed by a christian fanatics bomb, or to have built a museum glorifying the history of Japan right outside of Pearl Harbor's naval base 10 years after that attack.

    And the very nature that the action he's taking is causing the EXACT opposite of what his stated purpose is leads one to question what is the builders actual intent.

    I am the conservative in this argument. I am the one unconditionally embracing the Constitution and the law.
    Bull****, you couldn't even sniff conservative. You are bitching about people exercising their first amendment rights and trying to wrap yourself in the constitution as if that makes it any better. Never once, NOT ONCE, in your entire rant did you comment on people who were specifically calling for GOVERNMENT internvention, you just bigotedly ranted against ANYONE that opposed this mosque in a general sense and how horrible they are and even implied it should be ILLEGAL for them to speak out against it.

    You're a conservative if I'm god.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

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    I'll be you took a drama class in college didn't you? The sky isn't falling, so there's no need to overstate the issue. If muslims can't stand a cartoon of Mohammed in the papers, they should understand the sentiments of these NYers and others.
    Thank you.

    Draw a cartoon of Muhammad, put it on a billboard across the street from the MOSQUE, and then tell me who's being overreactive and dramatic.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

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    Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York



    How does building a Community Center over a Burlington Coat Factory effect the dignity of 9/11 victims?

    Does Bruce Springstein know that these wing-nuts have hijacked his song "Born in the USA"?

    I guess the Constitution is an inconvenient document...

    Pretty pathetic, if you ask me, that a multi-cultured country can be so racist and xenophobic.

    Check out this genius:



    Where, on the basketball court or the Child Care room?? What an idiot. Thanks Glenn and Sean for dumbing down our country and wiping your ass with the Bill of Rights. 'Freedom of Religion (except Islam)'. Idiots!

    I say that when catholics try to build a church near a elementary school, daycare, Chuck E. Cheese Pizza or anywhere else where there are little kids people should protest and claim its insensitive to those who were molested by priests. We should also protest in anger when white people buy white sheets and claim its insensitive to the victims of the KKK.
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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Okay yall. So what about the mosques that are already in the vicinity of ground zero? One's been there since 1970, the other 1985.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/ny...sque.html?_r=2

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I say that when catholics try to build a church near a elementary school, daycare, Chuck E. Cheese Pizza or anywhere else where there are little kids people should protest and claim its insensitive to those who were molested by priests. We should also protest in anger when white people buy white sheets and claim its insensitive to the victims of the KKK.
    Hey James, how about you not duck out of your other thread when you attempted this ridiculous comparison and you take me up on my challenge to tell me how Catholics building a church next to a place with kids, of which no Catholic had ever molested said children some said place before, is the same as building a mosque next to a site that was the site of an attack that was LARGELY tied to the following of Islam?

    I can't help but notice you declared it "exactly the same" and then never ever showed your face again to back up the claim.

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    Re: Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    On Sunday, the area around the proposed project, two blocks from the former World Trade Centre site, drew hundreds of opponents, some carrying signs associating Islam with blood, and depicting American flags.

    What? depicting American flags? How dare they! Don't they know that all the 'cool people' hate the American flag?


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