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The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

j-mac said:
That sure is a lot of talk to say essentially that you think it was an unfair attack on Obama...Look, Obama may be a Christian, and say it all he wants, but his Father was Muslim, and the Arab Street sees him as such. I would also add that if his attendance in the Rev. Wright's 'Church' is what his claim on Christianity is, then that isn't much of a conversion to Christianity imho.


j-mac
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Apparently Obama Sr. wasn't a Muslim by the time he met Obama's mother, he was an atheist, so he can't be viewed as a Muslim by the Arab Street.
 
Karl said:
"Ears" is not the anatomical reference that immediately springs to mind. However, given the violent history of organized Christianity, one would be wise to exercise caution in its vicinity. Abortion clinic bombings, and a somewhat recent murder of an abortion doctor comes to mind if you're looking for modern issues.
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Oh HA! I get it....Man, you should drop your current profession and go into comedy....Now, if you can show where these types of incidents are even remotely in the main stream of religious doctrine in our Judeo Christian society then you may have a point, other than that you are only doing what progressives often do, search 800 years to conflate a more extreme time with today and smear. Useless really.

j-mac
 
Ben K. said:
Apparently Obama Sr. wasn't a Muslim by the time he met Obama's mother, he was an atheist, so he can't be viewed as a Muslim by the Arab Street.
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And yet, he is....go figure.


j-mac
 
MrVicchio said:
Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim.' As Pew Poll Shows, More Americans Confused About President's Religion. - ABC News

Interesting Dance Rev. Graham
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according to Wikipedia the good reverend is telling porky-pies (slang for lies).

Barack Obama Sr.'s father was a muslim, Barack Obama's father might have been a muslim by birth but according to Obama's book he was a confirmed atheist when he met Ann Durham. If one takes that into account Barack Obama Sr. was no longer muslim and thus Barack Obama Junior was also no longer a muslim.

Hussein is a family name, just as many families name their child after the childs father/mother/grandparents/uncles/aunts/godparents etc.
 
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Let's drop the personal attacks, people. Its OK to get heated, its not OK to get personal or nasty. That whole civility is a must thing is more than a slogan around here.
 
j-mac said:
[...] Does religion scare you libs that much?
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Karl said:
[...] given the violent history of organized Christianity, one would be wise to exercise caution in its vicinity. Abortion clinic bombings, and a somewhat recent murder of an abortion doctor comes to mind if you're looking for modern issues.
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ludahai said:
Which many mainstream Christian groups have condemned, FYI...
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Perhaps, but mainstream Christians are... well... mainstream. I doubt they are bombing abortion clinics and assassinating doctors. The ones we have to worry about are the extremist variety... such as Rick Santorum, who supports the outlawing of contraception and champions a theocratic government; Rev. Phillip Kayser, who supports the execution of homosexuals (as well as the candidacy of Ron Paul); Sarah Palin, who thinks that troops being deployed to Afghanistan are on a "misssion from God"; etc.

John and Jane Doe who go to church every Sunday are not the problem; those, such as Rev. Franklin Graham, that want to use political or physical force to imprison or or exclude (from public life or service) or execute or force upon compliance those who do not go to church on Sunday -- and a specific church at that -- are the problem.
 
looks like the dumb ass finally heard from his daddy and recanted his remarks:
“I regret any comments I have ever made which may have cast any doubt on the personal faith of our president, Mr. Obama,” he said. “I apologize to him and to any I have offended for not better articulating my reason for not supporting him in this election — for his faith has nothing to do with my consideration of him as a candidate.”
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the donations must have slowed
 
justabubba said:
looks like the dumb ass finally heard from his daddy and recanted his remarks:

the donations must have slowed
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Doubtful. Just another cave to the liberal scream machine.


j-mac
 
Manc Skipper said:
Being completely in the wrong would have nothing to do with it...
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Wrong? Oh you mean wrong in the sense of the intolerant way that liberals like yourself wish to skew his thoughts out of context? Ok.

j-mac
 
Karl said:
Based upon local observation, that never slows some down . . . . . ;)
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One wonders why you waste your time here with us dolts....What's the matter? Didn't Pravda have any openings on their debate site?


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Wrong? Oh you mean wrong in the sense of the intolerant way that liberals like yourself wish to skew his thoughts out of context? Ok.

j-mac
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Or wrong in the sense of he shouldn't have said what he said. Being to the Right, does not make one automatically right, FYI.
 
j-mac said:
One wonders why you waste your time here with us dolts....What's the matter? Didn't Pravda have any openings on their debate site?
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It puzzles me too... Pravda, eh? Well, I'd have to brush up on my cyrillic. Do you have a link?
 
rocket88 said:
Or wrong in the sense of he shouldn't have said what he said. Being to the Right, does not make one automatically right, FYI.
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Who said it does? But I don't think you can make an informed opinion on this provided that you've only seen how the MSM characterizes it.


j-mac
 
Karl said:
It puzzles me too... Pravda, eh? Well, I'd have to brush up on my cyrillic. Do you have a link?
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I am sure you have google like me....Happy trails Mr. Marx.


j-mac
 
Karl said:
It puzzles me too... Pravda, eh? Well, I'd have to brush up on my cyrillic. Do you have a link?
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Cyrillic's easy. What gets you is the way the end of a word changes three times in one sentence.
 
j-mac said:
[Obama's]Father was Muslim, and the Arab Street sees him as such.
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Fine. The Muslim world see's President Obama as a Muslim. But Franklin Graham's argument isn't about how the rest of the world views the President as far as his religious "birth right" is concerned. His sole purpose for bringing this issue up once again is to try and reinforce the notion that somehow this President isn't on America's side/doesn't have America's interest at heart. I'm sure the birthers are pleased, but the rest of the country will blow Franklin Graham off much as was done the last time he tried to convince us that the President's religious birth right meant something in the good ole U.S. of A. Got news for you, it does not!

Freedom of religion is a powerful thing in this country. One's right to choose for him/herself what religion to practice is what makes Graham's comments so foolish.
 
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ludahai said:
Conversion from Islam to any other faith (or no faith) gains one a death sentence.
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Actually, that is true...in most Middle-Eastern countries where Islam is the national religion. But here in America, we don't have to worry about being stoned to death just because we don't follow a national religious because...



....wait for it....




...the Constitution forbids the federal government from imposing a national religion on its people!

So, why some of you continue to play up Franklin Graham's comments as some rigid tennant on religious birth rights, I will never understand except that it serves a purpose to instill fear in the hearts and minds of people. I dismiss it out of hand even among those who decree this as a matter of principle. This is yet another failed attempt at "throwing something against the wall and seeing if it sticks".

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Hatuey said:
What do you mean he isn't his father's son? Billy Graham was one of Regan's biggest supporters, an anti-semite, and politically outspoken... I don't particularly care much assholes like him but the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I think if your congregation is above 1000 people, you're a business.
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The Billy Graham I recall was friends to all presidents. I don't remember him ever bashing Carter or Clinton. Billy Graham stuck to religion, which is what Franklin needs to do. I'm sure that Billy voted Republican, but I really don't remember him making political statements like Franklin.
 
Ben K. said:
Obama's father became an atheist though. What's the Islamic view of being the son of an apostate father?
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Oh, please don't confuse them with facts.

They've found something "else" they can whine about, trying to figure out how to fit in the fact that his father was apostate will blow up their already fragile minds!
 
j-mac said:
Doubtful. Just another cave to the liberal scream machine.


j-mac
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Or he finally saw the error of his comments. With reasonable people fact do have that effect from time to time.
 
ScottD said:
Belonging to a certain religion isn't something that happens when you are born, it's something that you decide for yourself. You can't be born Muslim, just like you can't be born Christian. There isn't a gene that decides your religion for you.
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Not according to the religions themselves.. Technically Obama was born a Muslim because his father was a Muslim. Just as if your father was a Christian, then you are born a Christian.

But I agree fully it is something you choose now days, as those outdated practices are thankfully long gone in society as a whole... sadly some people are still brainwashed to think that they still are around.
 
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