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The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

It is always sad to see a son shaming his father's legacy. Franklin Graham would be irrelevant, if not for his Dad. He has done nothing here to create relevance nor to justify the little bit of relevance he has inherited.

That is all a very nice way to say what I should have said far more succinctly: "what an ass"

LOLOL.. Well said..........
 
No, you made a lot of claims about what you presume that he thinks, and I asked you to back up your claims....I guess you can't.


j-mac


watch the video
it's there
the host of MSNBC embarrassed the pseudo-religious schmuck
 
watch the video
it's there
the host of MSNBC embarrassed the pseudo-religious schmuck

I saw it, it was shameless ofcourse. Trying as hard as they could to frame, and qualify his remarks, and then later chop them up out of context to smear him....Does religion scare you libs that much?


j-mac
 
I saw it, it was shameless ofcourse. Trying as hard as they could to frame, and qualify his remarks, and then later chop them up out of context to smear him....Does religion scare you libs that much?


j-mac

pointed out his blatant hypocrisy - as a supposed religious leader
refusing to confirm Obama to be a Christian while insisting newt was - based on their actions
such a double standard which is embarrassing to other legitimate religious professionals


but since you viewed that telling video it confirms you didn't actually require the proof you were insisting upon receiving. doesn't enhance your credibility either
 
Haven't we been down this road before? :doh

For those who weren't part of the discussion when the issue first came up months ago, Franklin Graham is trying to say that by religious custom, Barack H. Obama, Jr. was "born" a Muslim by virtue of his father being a Muslim. In short, the religion of the father is passed down to the son. But here's the problem with that concept: It only works if:

1) you live in a country where such a religious custom is strictly adhered to which we don't in America (for the most part anyway); and,

2) your family adheres to such a custom which based on public accounts the Obamas do not.

Our nation's 44th President has stated publically on numerous occasions and in his own manuscripts that HE IS A CHRISTIAN. For me, this issue was put to rest a long time ago.

The only reason Franklin Graham is bringing up the President's so-called "religious heritage" again is because of the issues surrounding contraceptives. It's an attempt to reinforce a the false belief many people have about the President's religious faith. Hate to break it to ya', it didn't gain any traction then and it won't now.
 
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pointed out his blatant hypocrisy - as a supposed religious leader
refusing to confirm Obama to be a Christian while insisting newt was - based on their actions
such a double standard which is embarrassing to other legitimate religious professionals


but since you viewed that telling video it confirms you didn't actually require the proof you were insisting upon receiving. doesn't enhance your credibility either

Franklin is poorly educated. He can't help thinking that religion is genetic.. Pretty pathetic.
 
Franklin is poorly educated. He can't help thinking that religion is genetic.. Pretty pathetic.


I laid out his education. Which institution of higher learning is not up to snuff in your mind?

j-mac
 
Haven't we been down this road before? :doh

For those who weren't part of the discussion when the issue first came up months ago, Franklin Graham is trying to say that by religious custom, Barack H. Obama, Jr. was "born" a Muslim by virtue of his father being a Muslim. In short, the religion of the father is passed down to the son. But here's the problem with that concept: It only works if:

1) you live in a country where such a religious custom is strictly adhered to which we don't in America (for the most part anyway); and,

2) your family adheres to such a custom which based on public accounts the Obamas do not.

Our nation's 44th President has stated publically on numerous occasions and in his own manuscripts that HE IS A CHRISTIAN. For me, this issue was put to rest a long time ago.

The only reason Franklin Graham is bringing up the President's so-called "religious heritage" again is because of the issues surrounding contraceptives. It's an attempt to reinforce a the false belief many people have about the President's religious faith. Hate to break it to ya', it didn't gain any traction then and it won't now.


That sure is a lot of talk to say essentially that you think it was an unfair attack on Obama...Look, Obama may be a Christian, and say it all he wants, but his Father was Muslim, and the Arab Street sees him as such. I would also add that if his attendance in the Rev. Wright's 'Church' is what his claim on Christianity is, then that isn't much of a conversion to Christianity imho.


j-mac
 
I laid out his education. Which institution of higher learning is not up to snuff in your mind?

j-mac

Sorry I missed it.. which of the 65 pages is it on?

Do YOU actually believe religion is in the DNA or sperm?
 
So presumably anyone can be a Muslim if they have a muslim lineage on the paternal side.Say your great grand father is a Muslim but converts to Christianity, his son becomes an atheist, then his grandson becomes a Buddhist, the hypothetical you and the aforementioned predecessors would be born Muslim in the eyes of Islamic teaching?

Conversion from Islam to any other faith (or no faith) gains one a death sentence.
 
Conversion from Islam to any other faith (or no faith) gains one a death sentence.

Oh bull.. Are you so dumb that you think Islam is monolithic?
 
Sorry I missed it.. which of the 65 pages is it on?


It was right after the last time in the thread that you made the inane statement.

Do YOU actually believe religion is in the DNA or sperm?

Oh come on now...You are really showing your hatred for religion sharon. I think that Islamic law states that a son born to his father is born to Islam, or something like that....And I think that often times children are brought up in their parents religion, so the influences in BO's life did have an impact. He says he is Christian, however he gives acolades to Rev Wright for his birth into Christianity, if that is the case, then I would have a problem with his claim, because I don't consider BLT to be true Christianity.

j-mac
 
It was right after the last time in the thread that you made the inane statement.



Oh come on now...You are really showing your hatred for religion sharon. I think that Islamic law states that a son born to his father is born to Islam, or something like that....And I think that often times children are brought up in their parents religion, so the influences in BO's life did have an impact. He says he is Christian, however he gives acolades to Rev Wright for his birth into Christianity, if that is the case, then I would have a problem with his claim, because I don't consider BLT to be true Christianity.

j-mac

Don't be a dunce.. Look up United Chruch of Christ, Chicago.
 
Don't be a dunce.. Look up United Chruch of Christ, Chicago.


Black Liberation Theology has NOTHING to do with Christianity, it is a bastardization of religion for Marxist ends.


j-mac
 
It was right after the last time in the thread that you made the inane statement.



Oh come on now...You are really showing your hatred for religion sharon. I think that Islamic law states that a son born to his father is born to Islam, or something like that....And I think that often times children are brought up in their parents religion, so the influences in BO's life did have an impact. He says he is Christian, however he gives acolades to Rev Wright for his birth into Christianity, if that is the case, then I would have a problem with his claim, because I don't consider BLT to be true Christianity.

j-mac

You think? You don't know your butt from a hot rock.
 
You think? You don't know your butt from a hot rock.

Ok, we're done here...Why don't you grow up, and let me know when you want to attempt an intelligent conversation.

Thanks.

j-mac
 
I saw it, it was shameless ofcourse. Trying as hard as they could to frame, and qualify his remarks, and then later chop them up out of context to smear him....Does religion scare you libs that much?

According to the most fully developed version of the story, in 1815 a group of Russian employees of the Russian American Company and their Aleut seal and otter hunters, including Peter, was captured by Spanish soldiers, while hunting illicitly for seals near San Pedro. According to the original account, the soldiers took them to Misión San Pedro y Pablo for interrogation. One Russian source states that after being taken prisoner near modern Los Angeles, the captives were taken to Mission Dolores—that is, modern San Francisco. With threats of torture, the Roman Catholic priests attempted to force the Aleuts to deny their Orthodox faith and to convert to Roman Catholicism.[2]

When the Aleuts refused, the priest had a toe severed from each of Peter's feet. Peter still refused to renounce his faith and the Spanish priest ordered a group of Native Americans, indigenous to California, to cut off each finger of Peter's hands, one joint at a time, finally removing both his hands.[2] They eventually disemboweled him, making him a martyr to the Eastern Orthodox faith. They were about to torture the next Aleut when orders were received to release them. [...] Peter the Aleut was formally glorified as a Saint by the Orthodox Church in America as the "Martyr of San Francisco" in 1980. His feast day is commemorated on September 24.

Peter the Aleut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes. . . . . .
 
Yes. . . . . .


You got some priests severing limbs, or fingers in the name of converting people today? Please, I am all ears....Until then get in the back please.


j-mac
 
You got some priests severing limbs, or fingers in the name of converting people today? Please, I am all ears....Until then get in the back please.
"Ears" is not the anatomical reference that immediately springs to mind. However, given the violent history of organized Christianity, one would be wise to exercise caution in its vicinity. Abortion clinic bombings, and a somewhat recent murder of an abortion doctor comes to mind if you're looking for modern issues.
 
I saw it, it was shameless ofcourse. Trying as hard as they could to frame, and qualify his remarks, and then later chop them up out of context to smear him....

And you're trying as hard as you can to defend him because he's conservative. So what, he's conservative so you have to defend when he says something stupid? Nobody circles the wagons like conservatives.

Does religion scare you libs that much?

Apparently not as much as Islam frightens cons.
 
You got some priests severing limbs, or fingers in the name of converting people today? Please, I am all ears....Until then get in the back please.


j-mac

Is this your idea of intelligent conversation?
 
That sure is a lot of talk to say essentially that you think it was an unfair attack on Obama...Look, Obama may be a Christian, and say it all he wants, but his Father was Muslim, and the Arab Street sees him as such. [...]
According to what would seem to be a definitive source (quoted below), that has already been debunked in this thread, so the question is: Are you aware that you are perpetrating a falsehood?

Or do you have contradicting information from an informed source?

According to Edina Lekovic, director of policy at the Muslim Public Affairs Council, being born in a Muslim family doesn't make one a Muslim. A person has to make an active choice to become a Muslim, Lekovic said.

U.S. News - Rev. Graham: Obama seen as 'son of Islam'

[...] I think that Islamic law states that a son born to his father is born to Islam, or something like that.... [...]
You "think" or you were "told" (by some right wing fanatic, like Graham)? If the latter, then you may want to more scrupulously vet your sources; if the former, then you might consider avoiding that activity to prevent future erroneous conclusions.
 
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You got some priests severing limbs, or fingers in the name of converting people today? Please, I am all ears....Until then get in the back please.


j-mac

How about priests who like "getting in the back?"
 
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