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Yes, but unlike you, I know how to read. Indonesia is 86% Muslim. The U.S. is 58% Christian.
Where did you get the 58% number from?
Yes, but unlike you, I know how to read. Indonesia is 86% Muslim. The U.S. is 58% Christian.
Where did you get the 58% number from?
Yes, but unlike you, I know how to read. Indonesia is 86% Muslim. The U.S. is 58% Christian.
* Christianity: (58.3% to 82.3%)
* Unaffiliated, including atheist or agnostic (11.6% to 37.3%)
* Judaism (1.2% to 2.2%)
* Islam (0.6% to 1.6%)
* Buddhism (0.5% to 0.9%)
* Hinduism (0.4%)
* other (1.4%)
Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Indonesia has FIVE officially recognized religions... the USA has none... your point?
Have you EVER ONCE IN YOUR LIFE entered an Indonesian school? You are the ignorant one here...
* Christianity: (58.3% to 82.3%)
* Unaffiliated, including atheist or agnostic (11.6% to 37.3%)
* Judaism (1.2% to 2.2%)
* Islam (0.6% to 1.6%)
* Buddhism (0.5% to 0.9%)
* Hinduism (0.4%)
* other (1.4%)
Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Are you still actually denying that Obama himself stated he went to a Muslim school???
Amazing... :naughty
So it is somewhere btwn 58 to 82%. Oh and I found this:
a. the proportion of the population that can be classified as Christian has declined from eighty-six in 1990 to seventy-seven percent in 2001;
The Graduate Center, CUNY
When did I deny what Obama 'said'? I don't CARE what he said. I care what he DID. He NEVER, EVER went to an Islamic school. You can keep living in ignorance all you want, but Indonesia's public schools are NOT Islamic...
We don't pray to saints, we ask them to "intercede", or pray, on our behalf. We also ask friends to do the same. What is the difference.
If you don't care to fix your own ignorance of Catholicism, don't come on here and spout it out as if it were pure unadulterated fact...
"Saint Anthony, tell God; I need my keys!" ~~ George Carlin
But yeah. What do you call it if not praying? I'm not Catholic, but I am nowhere near ignorant on Catholicism. When you pray the rosary, you are praying to Mary. When you ask saints for intervention, you are praying to the saints. If you want to say I'm wrong, then I need to know the word for what you're doing (if 'praying' is incorrect). And it's not like asking a friend to intercede, because when you ask a friend, you hear their response.
Not always... you don't have prayer lists at church in which you ask your fellow parishoners to pray on your behalf...
And we refer to the invocation of the saints...
Not always... you don't have prayer lists at church in which you ask your fellow parishoners to pray on your behalf...
And we refer to the invocation of the saints...
You can deny all you want, but I have never claimed anything except that Obama said he went to a Muslim school.
Like I said ten posts ago, your beef is with Obama, not me. Write him a letter and call him a liar... you won't be the first.
I don't go to church, but there's still a human involved in creation of said prayer lists. And it's created for fellow humans to read or hear. Whereas (it seems to me) that anytime you talk, either in your head or out loud to somebody who is 'not of this world', i.e., a tangible fellow human, that would be 'praying'.
I thank you for trying to help me make sense of it.
Yes, but unlike you, I know how to read. Indonesia is 86% Muslim. The U.S. is 58% Christian.
The majority of Americans (76%) identify themselves as Christians...
Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
According to the American Religious Identification Survey that got Mohler's attention, the percentage of self-identified Christians has fallen 10 percentage points since 1990, from 86 to 76 percent.
Meacham: The End of Christian America - Newsweek
Remember folks...
You can't be born gay
But you can be born a specific religion
:roll:
Regardless of whether or not that religion dictates you're "one of theirs", faith is an entirely self made entity and designation. If you have never considered yourself Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Zoroastrian, Hindu, or whatever else have you then you're not Christian, Jewish, Muslims, etc.
Amazing thing that, no "holy book" is law or some kind of definitive absolute unquestionable truth. The fact the Muslim holy book says the child of a muslim man is Muslim doesn't magically make it a universal truth.
See, I live in America. We have this thing called freedom. I'm not going to back handed slander someone to try and benefit the idiot conspiracy theorist by insisting he is, or was, something he states he never was simply because some holy book says by their view he is. Great for them. By my view, as an American, and a belief in choice, Barack Obama has never considered himself Muslim and therefore is not muslim.
"I think the president's problem is that he was born a Muslim, his father was a Muslim. The seed of Islam is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother. He was born a Muslim, his father gave him an Islamic name," Graham told CNN's John King in a televised interview that aired Thursday night.
"Now it's obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed, and he has renounced Islam, and he has accepted Jesus Christ. That's what he says he has done. I cannot say that he hasn't. So I just have to believe that the president is what he has said," Graham continued, adding that "the Islamic world sees the president as one of theirs."
Very well said by the Reverand
You need to read up on the faith of Islam. Sons are born into the faith by their fathers. Its in the Qur'an, not something you can judge for yourself. As Graham said, he's renounced that faith for Christianity but it doesn't change the facts.
Sounded like to me he was clarifying the confusion explaining the history, the faith of Islam, and the choice Obama made to become a Christian.
That means Islam would have accepted him as one of their own, but that doesn't mean he ever at any point considered himself Muslim.
Its what the religion believes and recognizes. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
Okay, so let's say that it is true that under the Islamic faith, the son "inherits" his religious faith from the father. As has already been echoed by the President himself, his biological father was never involved in his life. So, he didn't receive the teachings of Islam from him. Instead, he likely learned about it from his step-father who raised him until he was around 10 years old. But even that brief period isn't enough to cement the teachings of Islam into the mind of a child. It takes alot longer for those ideals to become habit forming.
Point is the man has stated publicly what his religious preference is, and he has done so on a number of occasions. It is public knowledge that he attended a Christian church for over 20 years. The anti-American rants by his former pastor notwithstanding, how do you remain with a Christian church that long and hide your Muslim faith? It's just not possible!
The President doesn't conduct himself as a typical Muslim despite having an accute understand about the religion. I just think it absord that we're even having this discussion!
What are you talking about? Its the faith of Islam we are discussing. That is what they believe.
to impugn Obama's character.
Did I SAY it was true? More Hyperpartisan BS from one of the worst of this forum for such "Put words into your mouth" posters! Did I IMPLY in ANY SHAPE FASHION OR FORM that such was true?
NOPE.
Did I CLAIM TO AGREE WITH THIS?
NOPE.
IN FACT, I was INSULTING Islam, for this stupid belief that if Daddy is a Muslim, YOU ARE TOO. I'm agreeing with your position, AND YOU ARE ****ING ATTACKING ME.
I'm right sick of your self righteous arrogant condescending attitude, back off or apologize.
WE ALL know that you're in such a tizzy to kill a thread discussing Obama and his Islamic background, which HE HAS ONE, whether you want to accept or admit that. You are so quick to run and attack anyone that brings the issue up that you miss what's going on to prove how "Witty and cool" you are. Further more, people run to "Thank You" in a giant worthless circle jerk of spam.
IF YOU READ THE OP, I said "Nice Dance there Rev." Insinuating he danced all over the issue. Which he did. Did I say "RIGHT ON REV!!!" No.
So BACK RIGHT THE HELL OFF.
Have you ever defended the President's right to be a Muslim regardless of which religion he follows?
Have you ever corrected anyone who claimed he was a Muslim even while you've defended him herein?
Have you ever come to the President's defense and defended his claim of being a Christian besides herein?
If you have, then I apologize. If not, then making a single statement the President later decided to be baptized as a Christian just doesn't cut it. If you honestly believe that the religion of his birth doesn't automatically equate to the religion he now practises as a man, then you should defend him at every turn on this matter. If not and you shy away from defending him, then you're basically supporting the disengenious belief that he's a part of radical Islam. And that's not fair nor is it right.
Isn't the empircal evidence of Franklyn Graham's statements, enough factual backing for you?
Graham, as well as many other outspoken Evangelical Christians seem to know more about Islam than they do about the teachings of Christ.
I pulled these comments from the thread to point to out the larger issue here and that is the true purpose of this thread. It's not about discussing the tennants of Islam, but rather as justabubba said:
Remember folks...
You can't be born gay
But you can be born a specific religion
:roll:
Regardless of whether or not that religion dictates you're "one of theirs", faith is an entirely self made entity and designation. If you have never considered yourself Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Zoroastrian, Hindu, or whatever else have you then you're not Christian, Jewish, Muslims, etc.
Amazing thing that, no "holy book" is law or some kind of definitive absolute unquestionable truth. The fact the Muslim holy book says the child of a muslim man is Muslim doesn't magically make it a universal truth.
See, I live in America. We have this thing called freedom. I'm not going to back handed slander someone to try and benefit the idiot conspiracy theorist by insisting he is, or was, something he states he never was simply because some holy book says by their view he is. Great for them. By my view, as an American, and a belief in choice, Barack Obama has never considered himself Muslim and therefore is not muslim.
In reality, calling Obama a "Muslim" gives him too much credit. As G.K. Chesterton once said, "We call a man a bigot or a slave of dogma because he is a thinker who has thought thoroughly and to a definite end." The truth, however, is that few people have thought thoroughly and to a definite end. And Obama is no exception. He hasn't even thought matters through enough to understand the folly of statism. Even more to the point, he is a moral relativist, a position the antithesis of any absolutist faith. Inherent in Islam is that belief that Allah, not man, has authored right and wrong and that, consequently, it isn't a matter of opinion. Thus, Obama cannot truly believe in Islam -- or in Christianity or Judaism, for that matter.
Oh, and since some will ask, how do I know Obama is a relativist? It's simple: Virtually all leftists are, as the denial of moral reality that is relativism lies at the heart of liberalism.
American Thinker: The Truth about Obama's Muslim 'Faith'