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The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

hazlnut said:
And JFK was a Catholic.

Several Sundays shows made the point -- why does it matter if he is?

Oh, right... Fox News ginning up the GOP base with good ol' fashion xenophobia...

Ironic, that a Nation founded by immigrants should harbor that much fear of foreigners...
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Name one person who said they feared foreigners in this thread.

This is about a clear factual history nothing more. And no one in this thread is claiming Obama is still a Muslim.
 
ScottD said:
It does nothing to change the fact that Obama had a Christian upbringing.
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False. After he moved to Chicago and wanted to run for public office he began attending Trinity.
 
hazlnut said:
And JFK was a Catholic.

Several Sundays shows made the point -- why does it matter if he is?

Oh, right... Fox News ginning up the GOP base with good ol' fashion xenophobia...

Ironic, that a Nation founded by immigrants should harbor that much fear of foreigners...
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Good old Hazlnut, wondered when you'd stumble onto this thread and puke your worthless partisan bile upon it, to entertain us with your never ending flow of puerile invective hatefilled rantings. Most of which show you hardly read the OP, hardly think about the thread, you see something that doesn't praise your POV and you hit "Reply with Quote" and then just let your fingers do the damage with a flow of consciousness slime across the reply box.

When you decide to read the thread, understand what's being discussed and articulate something worth the effort to respond to, we'll be waiting, however I believe the forum has awaited that moment from you since the very first time you posted here.

Oh and the ARTICLE IS FROM ABC NEWS! You make it too easy man.
 
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texmaster said:
Where did I say that? Produce the quote.

Please do not continue to lie about my position. I have never lumped him in with all "radical Muslims". In fact I refuse to call them radical muslims at all. Your claims are completely without proof or merit in any way.

Where have I even said I fear he was once a Muslim?

You really need to stop making up things I never ever said.
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Have you ever defended the President's right to be a Muslim regardless of which religion he follows?

Have you ever corrected anyone who claimed he was a Muslim even while you've defended him herein?

Have you ever come to the President's defense and defended his claim of being a Christian besides herein?

If you have, then I apologize. If not, then making a single statement the President later decided to be baptized as a Christian just doesn't cut it. If you honestly believe that the religion of his birth doesn't automatically equate to the religion he now practises as a man, then you should defend him at every turn on this matter. If not and you shy away from defending him, then you're basically supporting the disengenious belief that he's a part of radical Islam. And that's not fair nor is it right.
 
I don't think anyone who ever listened to a sermon from Rev. Billy Graham would claim that his son isn't like him.

ABC went to him for this article, so who's really the one stirring things up?
 
Objective Voice said:
Have you ever defended the President's right to be a Muslim regardless of which religion he follows?
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What?

Objective Voice said:
Have you ever corrected anyone who claimed he was a Muslim even while you've defended him herein?
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What?
Objective Voice said:
Have you ever come to the President's defense and defended his claim of being a Christian besides herein?
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What?
Objective Voice said:
If you have, then I apologize. If not, then making a single statement the President later decided to be baptized as a Christian just doesn't cut it. If you honestly believe that the religion of his birth doesn't automatically equate to the religion he now practises as a man, then you should defend him at every turn on this matter. If not and you shy away from defending him, then you're basically supporting the disengenious belief that he's a part of radical Islam. And that's not fair nor is it right.
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The discussion is that according to Islam, OBAMA IS A MUSLIM. All this other... petty silliness you posted, is petty silliness.

We have no NEED to defend him at "every turn on the matter" cause you are discussing X and we are talking about Y. How about you step away from the debate and come back when you are ready to discuss the TOPIC and what's being said, not what ever conversation you imagine is going on.

If not and you shy away from defending him, then you're basically supporting the disengenious belief that he's a part of radical Islam. And that's not fair nor is it right.
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NO ONE IS IMPLYING THIS BUT YOU AND A FEW OTHER HARD CORE OBAMA FOLLOWERS CAUSE YOU'VE BEEN TOLD TO DEFLECT ALL DISCUSSION OF OBAMA AND ISLAM.

You are scared to face the issue.
 
MrVicchio said:
NO ONE IS IMPLYING THIS BUT YOU AND A FEW OTHER HARD CORE OBAMA FOLLOWERS CAUSE YOU'VE BEEN TOLD TO DEFLECT ALL DISCUSSION OF OBAMA AND ISLAM.

You are scared to face the issue.
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And what issue is that? That the President was "born" a Muslim? Okay, but again I say so what? Is he a practising Muslim? Is so, does he believe as radical Muslims believe? Those should've been the questions anyone who worries so about Muslim extremist should have been asking? And once he went public and told his country that he was a Christian, the issue should have been dead! In of story!!! But instead, what has the opposition done? Tried every underhanded trick in the book to connect him w/radical Islam at every turn. How else are we to take your reasoning for bringing up this issue or even supporting what Rev. Franklin Graham said?
 
According to Pastafarian Law Obama is a Pastafarian. This, of course, means that Obama is a Pastafarian whether he likes it or not. All hail our noodly leader!
 
Objective Voice said:
And what issue is that? That the President was "born" a Muslim? Okay, but again I say so what? Is he a practising Muslim? Is so, does he believe as radical Muslims believe? Those should've been the questions anyone who worries so about Muslim extremist should have been asking? And once he went public and told his country that he was a Christian, the issue should have been dead! In of story!!! But instead, what has the opposition done? Tried every underhanded trick in the book to connect him w/radical Islam at every turn. How else are we to take your reasoning for bringing up this issue or even supporting what Rev. Franklin Graham said?
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You are still debating with yourself I see.
 
texmaster said:
Sorry dude. That is what they believe. Try looking it up or read above.
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MrVicchio said:
Don't Bother Tex, these folks don't care about the factual reality, that doesn't fit the Narrative of the One. Keep discussing it and they'll just spout BS and live in their own little world of ignorance and attacking you. They ain't worth the time, cause none have the intellectual honesty to even discuss the issue without becoming hyper-partisan defenders of Obama.
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That is what some believe but you two attribute it to every Muslim.

When did you two pray to Mary last?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
He's trying to push divisive and moronic prejudice.
That's what it seems like to me.
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Or maybe ABC news knows how to jerk liberal chains?

Is the hypocrisy of attacking Rev. Graham while defending Obamas (BLT) version of christianty a blind spot?
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
No silliness here, when did you last pray to Mary?
This is assuming your Christian of course.
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Ahh, more pointless silliness to deflect from the discussion. It's okay, we understand. You cannot debate the ISSUE, so this is the best you can do.
 
MrVicchio said:
Ahh, more pointless silliness to deflect from the discussion. It's okay, we understand. You cannot debate the ISSUE, so this is the best you can do.
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I guess you're not a real Christian if you can't answer the question. :shrug:

You, nor Rev. Idiot, is in any position to define who is and is not part of a religious group.
Unless that person openly states as such.
 
RightinNYC said:
For the same reason I'm AFRAID to discuss snooki's love interests and angelina's hair - it's entirely irrelevant.
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Amazing, you are afraid to discuss the issue cause it's not PC to discuss Obama and Islam, well atleast if you aren't slamming anyone trying to admit Obama has Islamic Roots in his past.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I guess you're not a real Christian if you can't answer the question. :shrug:

You, nor Rev. Idiot, is in any position to define who is and is not part of a religious group.
Unless that person openly states as such.
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AHHH I see the problem!

You think that I, and even the Rev. believe that Obama is a Muslim and are defining him as such.

Got it, you DON'T know what's going on and are just blathering on your own misguided belief what is going on.

Fact: According to Islamic Law, If your dad is a Muslim, YOU are a muslim.

if you had BOTHERED to read the OP and the link, you'd see the Rev defends Obama as a CHRISTIAN.

But don't let reality get in the way of your... posting.
 
I don't understand what's to debate. Everything he said was true.
Who's at fault when someone has no understanding of the Islamic faith?
It would be nice if we could apply our standards, but it just doesn't work that way....hence "honor killings".
 
MrVicchio said:
AHHH I see the problem!

You think that I, and even the Rev. believe that Obama is a Muslim and are defining him as such.

Got it, you DON'T know what's going on and are just blathering on your own misguided belief what is going on.

Fact: According to Islamic Law, If your dad is a Muslim, YOU are a muslim.

if you had BOTHERED to read the OP and the link, you'd see the Rev defends Obama as a CHRISTIAN.

But don't let reality get in the way of your... posting.
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According to some believers of Islam yes, you are right.

Of course there is no Islamic decider of everything that is officially Islam.
So your opinion doesn't matter.
It's just another attempt to associate the president with a popularly unliked religion.

I don't care what the person did, I've also read that by the time Barry was born, his father was agnostic/atheist.
If that's true is he still a Muslim at birth?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I don't care what the person did, I've also read that by the time Barry was born, his father was agnostic/atheist.
If that's true is he still a Muslim at birth?
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According to Islamic Law... yes.

Any child of Muslim parents is considered a Muslim, and Islamic law contains precise and detailed provisions regarding children. Islam is the system of beliefs, rituals, and practices traced back to the Prophet Muhammad (c. 570–632 C.E.), who reportedly started his mission in Arabia in 610 C.E. Islamic law is contained in the Muslim holy book, the Qur'an (or Koran), as revealed to Muhammad. The Qur'an contains 114 suras, or chapters, that were revealed to Muhammad over the course of twenty-three years. There are over one billion Muslims in the world, who inhabit forty predominantly Muslim countries and five continents, traversing a diverse geographical and cultural area. As Islam spread and established itself in these diverse areas, some of the many local cultures and customs became assimilated into Islamic practices. Thus, there may be slight variations on classical Islamic practices from country to country. There are also variations between the two major sects of Islam: the Sunnis and the Shi'is (also spelled Shiite).
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Islam - Islamic Law, A Childs Upbringing, Duties of Parents, Religious Education - Encyclopedia of Children and Childhood in History and Society

Also "Barry" went to an Islamic School in Indonesia, so if his "father" hadn't "blessed him as a Muslim" as per the laws and rules, his time there did.

Is he one now, not according to him, and that's that. Does it matter in the grand scheme? No, but it is fair game for discussion. People like you get so scared about being labeled an "Islamiphobe" you refuse to have honest discussions on the issue.
 
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