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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's not even close to what he's referring to. Jews are a race, not a religion. Islam is a religion. That's why I can't understand how Libbos think that disliking Muslims is racism.
    I think even the Jewish jury is still out on that one, but I think the consensus is that Jews are not a race.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I think even the Jewish jury is still out on that one, but I think the consensus is that Jews are not a race.

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    Jews are largely an ethnic group with some characteristics of a separate race.
    There are genetic diseases that show up almost only in Jews.

    On the ethnic front there is disagreement on, what is and is not, a Jew as well.
    Rabbinical doctrine states that a Jew is born of a Jewish woman but by the Torah they chronicle it by the fathers (The sons of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.)
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Why is it relevant in the slightest what god may or may not have potentially resided in Obama Sr's sperm?

    Does Allah infected sperm pass tainted chromosomes?
    I think you make a good point, because all monotheistic religions believe in the one true God. The only difference is in the way different religions choose to practice their faith in him/her.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    His father was also a communist, alcoholic, and already married when he begot Obama.

    Maybe Pew can do a poll, ABC can write an article, and leftists can set their hair on fire while attacking the right over that too.

    Better yet, maybe Hillary could get you a reset button.

    Seriously, he has no one to blame for this but himself. Actions speak louder than words.

    If I was asked, I would have to say I don't know what his preference is.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by stealthy View Post
    His father was also a communist, alcoholic, and already married when he begot Obama.
    He also had nothing to do with Obama's childhood beyond his name. I doubt Obama even has a single memory of his father beyond the one visit he had with him when he was 10.
    Reality tends to have a liberal bias.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I think even the Jewish jury is still out on that one, but I think the consensus is that Jews are not a race.

    Judaism 101: What Is Judaism?

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    You're so very wrong on that one. Do you know, exactly, how wrong you are? Or, are you one of those folks that believes that Jews are a religion and Muslims are a race? How stupid would that be?
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    He also had nothing to do with Obama's childhood beyond his name. I doubt Obama even has a single memory of his father beyond the one visit he had with him when he was 10.
    I agree, but then why do you think he wrote the book, Dreams of my Father?

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Even if this is 100% true, what's the point in talking about it? Exactly what is he hoping to accomplish?
    Fear.. It is fearmongering.

    Wanted to say that I have always had a lot of respect for Billy Graham and feel he is a great man.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    You know, I have a huge problem with the way Franklin Graham presented this.

    1) First of all, he had an attitude of "If this is what Obama says, then it must be true", rather than just saying Obama was not a Muslim. The way he framed his answer left a question.

    2) What Ghadafi believes is not even relevant here. Franklin didn't even need to bring that up. Why did he?

    3) Religion is not a condition brought about by genetics. It is a choice. Barack Obama has never been a Muslim, period. His father may have been Muslim, but he abandoned his family as soon as Barack was born. Please tell me how that makes Obama born a Muslim. It doesn't.

    4) Finally, in saying that he believed that Obama renounced Islam, Graham told a lie. Obama never had to renounce Islam because he was never Islamic.

    What kind of Christianity does Graham practice, when he clearly casts dispersion on another Christian? Christ did say one thing, though - That we would know of someone by the fruits he bears. And the fruit that Graham has beared, in his interview, is rotten. But what can one expect, when you have a preacher like Graham, who is known for "comforting the afflicted without afflicting the comfortable"? It is a weak Christianity, which the Bible just happens to address. The church in Laodicea, in Revelations, certainly comes to mind here.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Word of God, as written in the Holy Bible
    because you are lukewarm, neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth.
    Mr. Graham - Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, I have a huge problem with the way Franklin Graham presented this.

    1) First of all, he had an attitude of "If this is what Obama says, then it must be true", rather than just saying Obama was not a Muslim. The way he framed his answer left a question.

    2) What Ghadafi believes is not even relevant here. Franklin didn't even need to bring that up. Why did he?

    3) Religion is not a condition brought about by genetics. It is a choice. Barack Obama has never been a Muslim, period. His father may have been Muslim, but he abandoned his family as soon as Barack was born. Please tell me how that makes Obama born a Muslim. It doesn't.

    4) Finally, in saying that he believed that Obama renounced Islam, Graham told a lie. Obama never had to renounce Islam because he was never Islamic.

    What kind of Christianity does Graham practice, when he clearly casts dispersion on another Christian? Christ did say one thing, though - That we would know of someone by the fruits he bears. And the fruit that Graham has beared, in his interview, is rotten. But what can one expect, when you have a preacher like Graham, who is known for "comforting the afflicted without afflicting the comfortable"? It is a weak Christianity, which the Bible just happens to address. The church in Laodicea, in Revelations, certainly comes to mind here.



    Mr. Graham - Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
    You are biblically ignorant.

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