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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    For the same reason I'm AFRAID to discuss snooki's love interests and angelina's hair - it's entirely irrelevant.
    Amazing, you are afraid to discuss the issue cause it's not PC to discuss Obama and Islam, well atleast if you aren't slamming anyone trying to admit Obama has Islamic Roots in his past.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I guess you're not a real Christian if you can't answer the question.

    You, nor Rev. Idiot, is in any position to define who is and is not part of a religious group.
    Unless that person openly states as such.
    AHHH I see the problem!

    You think that I, and even the Rev. believe that Obama is a Muslim and are defining him as such.

    Got it, you DON'T know what's going on and are just blathering on your own misguided belief what is going on.

    Fact: According to Islamic Law, If your dad is a Muslim, YOU are a muslim.

    if you had BOTHERED to read the OP and the link, you'd see the Rev defends Obama as a CHRISTIAN.

    But don't let reality get in the way of your... posting.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    I don't understand what's to debate. Everything he said was true.
    Who's at fault when someone has no understanding of the Islamic faith?
    It would be nice if we could apply our standards, but it just doesn't work that way....hence "honor killings".

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    AHHH I see the problem!

    You think that I, and even the Rev. believe that Obama is a Muslim and are defining him as such.

    Got it, you DON'T know what's going on and are just blathering on your own misguided belief what is going on.

    Fact: According to Islamic Law, If your dad is a Muslim, YOU are a muslim.

    if you had BOTHERED to read the OP and the link, you'd see the Rev defends Obama as a CHRISTIAN.

    But don't let reality get in the way of your... posting.
    According to some believers of Islam yes, you are right.

    Of course there is no Islamic decider of everything that is officially Islam.
    So your opinion doesn't matter.
    It's just another attempt to associate the president with a popularly unliked religion.

    I don't care what the person did, I've also read that by the time Barry was born, his father was agnostic/atheist.
    If that's true is he still a Muslim at birth?
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't care what the person did, I've also read that by the time Barry was born, his father was agnostic/atheist.
    If that's true is he still a Muslim at birth?
    According to Islamic Law... yes.

    Any child of Muslim parents is considered a Muslim, and Islamic law contains precise and detailed provisions regarding children. Islam is the system of beliefs, rituals, and practices traced back to the Prophet Muhammad (c. 570–632 C.E.), who reportedly started his mission in Arabia in 610 C.E. Islamic law is contained in the Muslim holy book, the Qur'an (or Koran), as revealed to Muhammad. The Qur'an contains 114 suras, or chapters, that were revealed to Muhammad over the course of twenty-three years. There are over one billion Muslims in the world, who inhabit forty predominantly Muslim countries and five continents, traversing a diverse geographical and cultural area. As Islam spread and established itself in these diverse areas, some of the many local cultures and customs became assimilated into Islamic practices. Thus, there may be slight variations on classical Islamic practices from country to country. There are also variations between the two major sects of Islam: the Sunnis and the Shi'is (also spelled Shiite).
    Islam - Islamic Law, A Childs Upbringing, Duties of Parents, Religious Education - Encyclopedia of Children and Childhood in History and Society

    Also "Barry" went to an Islamic School in Indonesia, so if his "father" hadn't "blessed him as a Muslim" as per the laws and rules, his time there did.

    Is he one now, not according to him, and that's that. Does it matter in the grand scheme? No, but it is fair game for discussion. People like you get so scared about being labeled an "Islamiphobe" you refuse to have honest discussions on the issue.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Empty words. If you are going to make a statement like that be ready to support it with factual backing.
    Isn't the empircal evidence of Franklyn Graham's statements, enough factual backing for you? Graham, as well as many other outspoken Evangelical Christians seem to know more about Islam than they do about the teachings of Christ.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Amazing, you are afraid to discuss the issue cause it's not PC to discuss Obama and Islam
    Did I e-stutter? Cause that's not even remotely close to what I said.

    well atleast if you aren't slamming anyone trying to admit Obama has Islamic Roots in his past.
    No, but it's like pointing out that Bush used to be an alcoholic - it's in the past, it doesn't have anything to do with the current situation, and it's primarily noted by those who want to bring it up in order to attack the people involved. It's petty bull**** that adds nothing to the debate.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    That's only according to a strict interpretation of Islam.
    Not all Muslims follow that.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Also "Barry" went to an Islamic School in Indonesia, so if his "father" hadn't "blessed him as a Muslim" as per the laws and rules, his time there did.
    No he didn't.

    He went to a public school in a majority Muslim country.
    His step father happened to work with an oil company operating off the shores of Indonesia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Is he one now, not according to him, and that's that. Does it matter in the grand scheme? No, but it is fair game for discussion. People like you get so scared about being labeled an "Islamiphobe" you refuse to have honest discussions on the issue.
    No I'm not but why does it matter?
    What purpose does this serve and how can anything meaningful come out of this?
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Why is it relevant in the slightest what god may or may not have potentially resided in Obama Sr's sperm?

    Does Allah infected sperm pass tainted chromosomes?
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    This thread is basically a variation on the birther standard tactic "I am not saying he is a Muslim, but...". Really, the mindless **** people come up with to try and add negatives to Obama is hilarious. It's like all the "Messiah", "The Obama" crap, trying to paint people as worshipers of him, when those "worshipers" criticize him more than those who mindlessly bitch about everything he does. This thread is a perfect example of what is wrong with politics in this country.
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