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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac, replying to Karl View Post
    You got some priests severing limbs, or fingers in the name of converting people today? Please, I am all ears....Until then get in the back please.
    "Ears" is not the anatomical reference that immediately springs to mind. However, given the violent history of organized Christianity, one would be wise to exercise caution in its vicinity. Abortion clinic bombings, and a somewhat recent murder of an abortion doctor comes to mind if you're looking for modern issues.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I saw it, it was shameless ofcourse. Trying as hard as they could to frame, and qualify his remarks, and then later chop them up out of context to smear him....
    And you're trying as hard as you can to defend him because he's conservative. So what, he's conservative so you have to defend when he says something stupid? Nobody circles the wagons like conservatives.

    Does religion scare you libs that much?
    Apparently not as much as Islam frightens cons.


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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You got some priests severing limbs, or fingers in the name of converting people today? Please, I am all ears....Until then get in the back please.


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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac, in post #660 View Post
    That sure is a lot of talk to say essentially that you think it was an unfair attack on Obama...Look, Obama may be a Christian, and say it all he wants, but his Father was Muslim, and the Arab Street sees him as such. [...]
    According to what would seem to be a definitive source (quoted below), that has already been debunked in this thread, so the question is: Are you aware that you are perpetrating a falsehood?

    Or do you have contradicting information from an informed source?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl, in post #637 View Post
    According to Edina Lekovic, director of policy at the Muslim Public Affairs Council, being born in a Muslim family doesn't make one a Muslim. A person has to make an active choice to become a Muslim, Lekovic said.

    U.S. News - Rev. Graham: Obama seen as 'son of Islam'
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac, in post #664 View Post
    [...] I think that Islamic law states that a son born to his father is born to Islam, or something like that.... [...]
    You "think" or you were "told" (by some right wing fanatic, like Graham)? If the latter, then you may want to more scrupulously vet your sources; if the former, then you might consider avoiding that activity to prevent future erroneous conclusions.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You got some priests severing limbs, or fingers in the name of converting people today? Please, I am all ears....Until then get in the back please.


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    How about priests who like "getting in the back?"


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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That sure is a lot of talk to say essentially that you think it was an unfair attack on Obama...Look, Obama may be a Christian, and say it all he wants, but his Father was Muslim, and the Arab Street sees him as such. I would also add that if his attendance in the Rev. Wright's 'Church' is what his claim on Christianity is, then that isn't much of a conversion to Christianity imho.


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    Apparently Obama Sr. wasn't a Muslim by the time he met Obama's mother, he was an atheist, so he can't be viewed as a Muslim by the Arab Street.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    "Ears" is not the anatomical reference that immediately springs to mind. However, given the violent history of organized Christianity, one would be wise to exercise caution in its vicinity. Abortion clinic bombings, and a somewhat recent murder of an abortion doctor comes to mind if you're looking for modern issues.

    Oh HA! I get it....Man, you should drop your current profession and go into comedy....Now, if you can show where these types of incidents are even remotely in the main stream of religious doctrine in our Judeo Christian society then you may have a point, other than that you are only doing what progressives often do, search 800 years to conflate a more extreme time with today and smear. Useless really.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Apparently Obama Sr. wasn't a Muslim by the time he met Obama's mother, he was an atheist, so he can't be viewed as a Muslim by the Arab Street.
    And yet, he is....go figure.


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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Abortion clinic bombings, and a somewhat recent murder of an abortion doctor comes to mind if you're looking for modern issues.
    Which many mainstream Christian groups have condemned, FYI...
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    according to Wikipedia the good reverend is telling porky-pies (slang for lies).

    Barack Obama Sr.'s father was a muslim, Barack Obama's father might have been a muslim by birth but according to Obama's book he was a confirmed atheist when he met Ann Durham. If one takes that into account Barack Obama Sr. was no longer muslim and thus Barack Obama Junior was also no longer a muslim.

    Hussein is a family name, just as many families name their child after the childs father/mother/grandparents/uncles/aunts/godparents etc.

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