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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Here why don't we play with this little quote a little:

    "You shall have no other gods before me."

    Now tell me, if I tell you that you can't have any other Gods before me in a commandment, what choice am I giving you? No, no. I believe you're running circles trying to explain the progressive ideas at the time. 'God' didn't give really give humanity a choice. If he did then he's not all knowing. A choice would mean that he thought it could go both ways and thus planned in the event of either case. Do you not understand the fallacy in saying that you have a choice when everything you do is already predetermined to end in a precise way regardless of what you do? No, no. Freedom of religion is NOT a Christian idea. It isn't so in the 21st century much less the 16th or 17th century.
    I think the founders of the United States were more interested in the teachings of Jesus Christ and the New Testament when they founded America, Hatuey, then they were of the Old Testament.

    The Golden Rule of 'Doing unto others' would play an especially important role.

    Of course the Ten Commandments are difficult to follow, I've broken nine of them myself, but they are part of the American heritage and it's always valuable to maintain an understanding of who you are as a people and where you came from. Without that understanding you don't have much at all.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Here why don't we play with this little quote a little:

    "You shall have no other gods before me."

    Now tell me, if I tell you that you can't have any other Gods before me in a commandment, what choice am I giving you? No, no. I believe you're running circles trying to explain the progressive ideas at the time. 'God' didn't give really give humanity a choice. If he did then he's not all knowing. A choice would mean that he thought it could go both ways and thus planned in the event of either case. Do you not understand the fallacy in saying that you have a choice when everything you do is already predetermined to end in a precise way regardless of what you do? No, no. Freedom of religion is NOT a Christian idea. It isn't so in the 21st century much less the 16th or 17th century.
    You're right. Freedom of religious is not a Christian idea. It is an American idea borne from the belief from this nation's Founding Fathers that no American citizen will ever be unjustly persecuted based on their religious belief nor forced to follow any one particular religion as what was thrust upon English citizens under the British crown.

    When you get down to it, America may have been discovered under the religious banner of Christianity, but those lonely Pilgrims were Quakers. (Whatever happened to that religion in this country anyway? Did they morph into Amish or did it just go away?)
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You're right. Freedom of religious is not a Christian idea. It is an American idea borne from the belief from this nation's Founding Fathers that no American citizen will ever be unjustly persecuted based on their religious belief nor forced to follow any one particular religion as what was thrust upon English citizens under the British crown.

    When you get down to it, America may have been discovered under the religious banner of Christianity, but those lonely Pilgrims were Quakers. (Whatever happened to that religion in this country anyway? Did they morph into Amish or did it just go away?)
    I had a Quaker friend in college and Nixon was a Quaker too.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Because one of Obama's parents was Muslim and the other was Christian. Why aren't his detractors saying that he was born Christian? The answer is obvious. They want to pin him as a Muslim, in order to commit character assassination on him.

    Nah, I think you have it wrong Dan. Correct me if I am wrong, but if a child born to a Muslim father isn't that child considered Muslim? Isn't that why he was registered as a Muslim in the Jakarta school?



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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nah, I think you have it wrong Dan. Correct me if I am wrong, but if a child born to a Muslim father isn't that child considered Muslim? Isn't that why he was registered as a Muslim in the Jakarta school? j-mac
    That's quite correct, J-mac. Not every religious faith shares the same attitudes in this area as Christianity. Indeed, every Muslim father expects his children to be Muslim, which is why they have "honor killings" should the children dare stray.

    This is why so many Muslims consider BHO to be a Muslim, especially considering his name and, if he was genuinely changed to Christianity, he would then be an apostate, and subject to the death penalty.

    Fortunately for BHO, Muslims consider him to be a Muslim also, just commuting Al-taqiyya, so he is still part of the faith.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's quite correct, J-mac. Not every religious faith shares the same attitudes in this area as Christianity. Indeed, every Muslim father expects his children to be Muslim, which is why they have "honor killings" should the children dare stray.

    This is why so many Muslims consider BHO to be a Muslim, especially considering his name and, if he was genuinely changed to Christianity, he would then be an apostate, and subject to the death penalty.

    Fortunately for BHO, Muslims consider him to be a Muslim also, just commuting Al-taqiyya, so he is still part of the faith.

    thank you...That's what I thought. But ofcourse, that isn't to say whether he is Muslim in practice or not, but it is important to understand his outreach, and seeming propensity to appear weak, and subservient to Muslim concerns and wants during this time.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's quite correct, J-mac. Not every religious faith shares the same attitudes in this area as Christianity. Indeed, every Muslim father expects his children to be Muslim, which is why they have "honor killings" should the children dare stray.
    yes there seems to have been several hundred in recent memory. I think i will take this and apply it to muslim society in general and make it seem as though it were a widespread and common tradition among them.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nah, I think you have it wrong Dan. Correct me if I am wrong, but if a child born to a Muslim father isn't that child considered Muslim? Isn't that why he was registered as a Muslim in the Jakarta school?
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    That's circular reasoning, which is a fallacy. You're assuming the proposition that Obama is a Muslim is true based on the premise that the step father is Muslim.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    The Rev. Franklin Graham is exactly correct.

    I believe Obama to be an anti-American Muslim.

    It is clear that Rev. Wright Obama's mentor is big time into black liberation theology which is anti-Constitution, anti-American, and anti-white people.

    Obama claims he was in that Chicago Church almost every Sunday for 20 years, but somehow missed all the racism and hate speech.

    I have to point out here that it is permitted for Muslims to lie if it furthers their goals, because in the end they can be redeemed by fbe simple act of becoming a martyr.

    Just look at all the drinking and fooling around in strip bars some of the
    9-11 suicide bombers did before they hit.

    In the Cult of Islam anything that works against us infidels is fine.

    For argument sake let's say I'm wrong. Then someone explain all the bowing scraping Obama did first thing in the Middle east along with becoming the all time leading "Appeaser in Chief" on the same trip.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Did anyone inquire during the taking of the poll, what percentage were muslim who considered Obama muslim?

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