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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    OMG! He basically paraphrased Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli! That bastard!
    Which was not in the Arabic version as ratified by Tripoly.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    No, the important point to remember is that Obama was democratically elected by a majority and the losers don't want to recognize that fact. So either you accept our system of government or you don't and apparently you don't.
    You mean like the losers didn't want to accept the fact that Gore lost to Bush???
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Making the huge assumption that Obama was born in Honolulu, what does that have to do with the fact that his father was muslim, he was given a muslim name, he was raised by his stepfather as a muslim, he prayed in a mosque as a muslim, and he dislikes America like any good Indonesian muslim?

    Last time I checked, PLACE of birth doesn't confer religion, unless you're lucky enough to have poor minority parents who chose to sleep in cattle feeding equipment.
    I think it is a reference to the Birthers absurd assertion that President Obama was not born in the United States. This Indonesian enrollment form clearly states that he was born in Hawaii. As for his being marked a Muslim, it is common to simply mark the father's religion without actually asking the kid...
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Which was not in the Arabic version as ratified by Tripoly.
    Which doesn't change the fact that those words were approved by our founding fathers as a description of the country.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Our muslim-raised president has BOWED to the leaders of lesser nations. All nations are lesser nations.
    Disgusting that he bowed to the king of the KSA, but not all nations are lesser nations. Any and all nations that respect human and political rights and reflect the will of their people are morally equal to all others that share the same values, including the United States...
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

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    Which doesn't change the fact that those words were approved by our founding fathers as a description of the country.
    They were not approved by the Founding Fathers but rather the Senate. The clause is non-binding because there was no mutual ratification.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Look, I am no fan of President Obama, but I am getting tired of two things.

    1. The Birthers asinine argument that he is not a natural born citizen.
    2. That he was born a Muslim and somehow he went to an Islamic school in Indonesia.

    Both of these lines of thinking are stupid, ignorant and needless. What we should be focusing on is policy differences and why what he is doing is wrong for the U.S. and the free world. Rather, a distressingly large number of people insist on continuing to make fools of themselves and in the process make Obama's opposition seem less than credible at times.

    That is really stupid. Grow up people. He is the President. He is a natural born citizen. He did not attend an Islamic school in Indonesia. Get it?
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    They were not approved by the Founding Fathers but rather the Senate. The clause is non-binding because there was no mutual ratification.
    The senate in 1796-7 would have been comprised of founding fathers.

    And the "binding" nature of the statement is irrelvent considering the fact that our government believed that was what was in the arabic document that was binding. They still OKed it. The only thing that has any intellectual value in this discussion is what our government believed was in the document.

    The Tripolians don't define our nation, so what they believed is irrelvent.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The senate in 1796-7 would have been comprised of founding fathers.
    What is your definition of Founding Fathers?

    And the "binding" nature of the statement is irrelvent considering the fact that our government believed that was what was in the arabic document that was binding. They still OKed it. The only thing that has any intellectual value in this discussion is what our government believed was in the document.
    Still not legally binding on the United States or its government.

    The Tripolians don't define our nation, so what they believed is irrelvent.
    And I would argue that the Senate in 1796 was not composed of Founding Fathers... so there...
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    What is your definition of Founding Fathers?
    Those who were involved in the American Revolution, Ratification of the Constitution, and/or the early stages of our government (Including our government under the Articles of Confederation).

    Even if you use a far more stingent definition, the fact that the English version of the treaty was signed by John Adams would be a definitive inclusion of a founding father's beliefs on the matter (he could not read arabic to my knowledge, so it was the English version which he said this about:

    "Now be it known, That I John Adams, President of the United States of America, having seen and considered the said Treaty do, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, accept, ratify, and confirm the same, and every clause and article thereof."

    Now, whether or not the clauses were all "legally binding" is irrelvent because even without legal binding, we have evidence of someone who is undeniably a founder affirming them to be true.

    Still not legally binding on the United States or its government.
    Whether or not is it legally binding is irrelevent to it being factual or not.

    And I would argue that the Senate in 1796 was not composed of Founding Fathers... so there...
    Yes, but you are basing your belief on opinion, while my statement about is 100% factual: The tripolians don't define our nation.
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