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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Okay, so let's say that it is true that under the Islamic faith, the son "inherits" his religious faith from the father. As has already been echoed by the President himself, his biological father was never involved in his life. So, he didn't receive the teachings of Islam from him. Instead, he likely learned about it from his step-father who raised him until he was around 10 years old. But even that brief period isn't enough to cement the teachings of Islam into the mind of a child. It takes alot longer for those ideals to become habit forming.

    Point is the man has stated publicly what his religious preference is, and he has done so on a number of occasions. It is public knowledge that he attended a Christian church for over 20 years. The anti-American rants by his former pastor notwithstanding, how do you remain with a Christian church that long and hide your Muslim faith? It's just not possible!

    The President doesn't conduct himself as a typical Muslim despite having an accute understand about the religion. I just think it absord that we're even having this discussion!
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    But one religion does not set the laws of the world. Unless Obama himself recognizes that rule, it is void in this situation.
    I'll say it again. It is what the faith says about the child.

    Any child of Muslim parents is considered a Muslim, and Islamic law contains precise and detailed provisions regarding children. Islam is the system of beliefs, rituals, and practices traced back to the Prophet Muhammad (c. 570–632 C.E.), who reportedly started his mission in Arabia in 610 C.E. Islamic law is contained in the Muslim holy book, the Qur'an (or Koran), as revealed to Muhammad.

    Islam - Islamic Law, A Childs Upbringing, Duties of Parents, Religious Education - Encyclopedia of Children and Childhood in History and Society

    I fail to see why this is so confusing. This isn't a question of whether its right or not based on your moral judgement, its based on the fundamental law of Islam. He was born to a Muslim father and given and Muslim name. According to that faith, he is a born Muslim. It doesn't matter how often or not he practiced the religion as a child.

    Later he decided to be baptized as a Christian so that is now his faith.

    Those are the facts.

    I fail to see what you are accomplishing by arguing against how a religion views a child.
    Last edited by texmaster; 08-22-10 at 10:08 PM.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So because Islam might think something, it must be true now. Oh, the convoluted logic it takes to keep this crap going.
    Did I SAY it was true? More Hyperpartisan BS from one of the worst of this forum for such "Put words into your mouth" posters! Did I IMPLY in ANY SHAPE FASHION OR FORM that such was true?

    NOPE.

    Did I CLAIM TO AGREE WITH THIS?

    NOPE.

    IN FACT, I was INSULTING Islam, for this stupid belief that if Daddy is a Muslim, YOU ARE TOO. I'm agreeing with your position, AND YOU ARE ****ING ATTACKING ME.

    I'm right sick of your self righteous arrogant condescending attitude, back off or apologize.

    WE ALL know that you're in such a tizzy to kill a thread discussing Obama and his Islamic background, which HE HAS ONE, whether you want to accept or admit that. You are so quick to run and attack anyone that brings the issue up that you miss what's going on to prove how "Witty and cool" you are. Further more, people run to "Thank You" in a giant worthless circle jerk of spam.

    IF YOU READ THE OP, I said "Nice Dance there Rev." Insinuating he danced all over the issue. Which he did. Did I say "RIGHT ON REV!!!" No.

    So BACK RIGHT THE HELL OFF.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    That is what YOU believe they believe.
    Sorry dude. That is what they believe. Try looking it up or read above.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Sorry dude. That is what they believe. Try looking it up or read above.
    Don't Bother Tex, these folks don't care about the factual reality, that doesn't fit the Narrative of the One. Keep discussing it and they'll just spout BS and live in their own little world of ignorance and attacking you. They ain't worth the time, cause none have the intellectual honesty to even discuss the issue without becoming hyper-partisan defenders of Obama.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Don't Bother Tex, these folks don't care about the factual reality, that doesn't fit the Narrative of the One. Keep discussing it and they'll just spout BS and live in their own little world of ignorance and attacking you. They ain't worth the time, cause none have the intellectual honesty to even discuss the issue without becoming hyper-partisan defenders of Obama.
    You are far harder on the reverand than I am which confuses me as to why you are being persued.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You are far harder on the reverand than I am which confuses me as to why you are being persued.
    It's simple... The thread is about Obama and Islam and implies he has ties in someway. That turns on the auto-defend mental black of his followers. The Rev. was quite PC in dancing around the issue, and spoke truth to the matter.

    I of course, posted the thread, and now...

    Mind you, if someone had posted a "Palin's Church" thread it'd be 50 pages long and most of these people asking "what's the point" of this thread would be rabidly drool attacking that thread.

    It's quite... sickening really.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    I'll say it again. It is what the faith says about the child.

    Any child of Muslim parents is considered a Muslim, and Islamic law contains precise and detailed provisions regarding children. Islam is the system of beliefs, rituals, and practices traced back to the Prophet Muhammad (c. 570–632 C.E.), who reportedly started his mission in Arabia in 610 C.E. Islamic law is contained in the Muslim holy book, the Qur'an (or Koran), as revealed to Muhammad.

    Islam - Islamic Law, A Childs Upbringing, Duties of Parents, Religious Education - Encyclopedia of Children and Childhood in History and Society

    I fail to see why this is so confusing. This isn't a question of whether its right or not based on your moral judgement, its based on the fundamental law of Islam. He was born to a Muslim father and given and Muslim name. According to that faith, he is a born Muslim. It doesn't matter how often or not he practiced the religion as a child.

    Later he decided to be baptized as a Christian so that is now his faith.

    Those are the facts.

    I fail to see what you are accomplishing by arguing against how a religion views a child.
    But that is the problem here.

    So many people have done the exact same thing you've done here. You speak as though you're of the opinion that "it's just a part of their religion...no big deal" yet you talk so negative about the Muslim faith under the false pretense, IMO, of being "cautious" about their attempts at subversion. But instead of distinguishing between what sect or sects believe fully in Shariah Law and which one the President apparently "belongs to" as a "birth-right," you instead lump him in with ALL radical Muslims and place this layer of doubt that is steep in fear of Muslims. That is the problem here!

    My point is even if the religion of the father is passed to the son under Islam and Muslims around the world claim the President as their "American-son", the fact is the only way his "religion" becomes problematic is if he followed the same subversive practises many believers of radical Islam follow. I see no sign of that in the President's behavior nor in what he says. Therefore, IMO, your fears are greatly unfounded where the President's religion is concerned even if he were a Muslim.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But that is the problem here.

    So many people have done the exact same thing you've done here. You speak as though you're of the opinion that "it's just a part of their religion...no big deal" yet you talk so negative about the Muslim faith under the false pretense, IMO, of being "cautious" about their attempts at subversion.
    Where did I say that? Produce the quote.

    But instead of distinguishing between what sect or sects believe fully in Shariah Law and which one the President apparently "belongs to" as a "birth-right," you instead lump him in with ALL radical Muslims and place this layer of doubt that is steep in fear of Muslims. That is the problem here!
    Please do not continue to lie about my position. I have never lumped him in with all "radical Muslims". In fact I refuse to call them radical muslims at all. Your claims are completely without proof or merit in any way.

    My point is even if the religion of the father is passed to the son under Islam and Muslims around the world claim the President as their "American-son", the fact is the only way his "religion" becomes problematic is if he followed the same subversive practises many believers of radical Islam follow. I see no sign of that in the President's behavior nor in what he says. Therefore, IMO, your fears are greatly unfounded where the President's religion is concerned even if he were a Muslim.
    Where have I even said I fear he was once a Muslim?

    You really need to stop making up things I never ever said.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But that is the problem here.

    So many people have done the exact same thing you've done here. You speak as though you're of the opinion that "it's just a part of their religion...no big deal" yet you talk so negative about the Muslim faith under the false pretense, IMO, of being "cautious" about their attempts at subversion. But instead of distinguishing between what sect or sects believe fully in Shariah Law and which one the President apparently "belongs to" as a "birth-right," you instead lump him in with ALL radical Muslims and place this layer of doubt that is steep in fear of Muslims. That is the problem here!

    My point is even if the religion of the father is passed to the son under Islam and Muslims around the world claim the President as their "American-son", the fact is the only way his "religion" becomes problematic is if he followed the same subversive practises many believers of radical Islam follow. I see no sign of that in the President's behavior nor in what he says. Therefore, IMO, your fears are greatly unfounded where the President's religion is concerned even if he were a Muslim.
    Did Tex or I or the Rev or anyone imply that Obama IS a practicing Muslim because of this? Nope.

    In fact, depending on which flavor of Islam you look at Obama is technically an Apostate and that... is a crime worthy of death in many parts of the Islamic Controlled World.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    And JFK was a Catholic.

    Several Sundays shows made the point -- why does it matter if he is?

    Oh, right... Fox News ginning up the GOP base with good ol' fashion xenophobia...

    Ironic, that a Nation founded by immigrants should harbor that much fear of foreigners...
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